Live Midweek Tournament (Middle stages - decision)

fluffybluffyfluffybluffy Red Chipper Posts: 5
Setting: £45 midweek tournament
Blinds: 1k-2k
Hero (TAG): 35bb (70k)
Villain (LAG): 30bb (60k)
25 remaining players (top 7 cash, albeit not much!)

Hero opens UTG (TAG) with QQ to 5k. Villain (LAG) in MP 3bets to 25k. Folds around to hero. Hero shoves All In Pre Flop (AIPF). Villain calls.

Villain LAG and hasn't shown much knowledge about poker. Loose player who doesn't understand SPR or anything of that nature.

QUESTION: With 35bb, is hero correct in shoving 35bb with intention of winning the tournament? Is 35bb still too deep to get it all in here?

What would you do?

Comments

  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 3,844 -
    Because you said he's a LAG and is likely to show up with a much wider range than just KK+, I'm fully onboard with your jam =)
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  • zagaresezagarese Red Chipper Posts: 185
    Is that a large 3bet - 5x of the 5k - and if it is what does that mean from a LAG, generally?



  • fluffybluffyfluffybluffy Red Chipper Posts: 5
    Thanks Split - now I can rest easy at night.

    @zagarese a 5x 3bet from a LAG doesn't mean his range is confined to only KK+ and AK. His range is so wide.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, what SS said. Don't like folding in this spot unless I've never seen a 3b from the V. You'd only have 35k left if you flatted, and you'd have to jam every single flop imo if you chose this line. Villain can make better decisions with his hand after seeing the flop, and I think will make a lot more correct decisions.

    Yeah, jam and run good would be my take on it
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Villain LAG and hasn't shown much knowledge about poker. Loose player who doesn't understand SPR or anything of that nature.

    Here's a lesson I learned not long after I started playing live in a casino. There was a terrible player at our table. He either raised or called a raise about half the hands he played. I played with him for about 6 hours, and could never get him. I kept asking the poker gods please, give me a hand against this guy.

    Finally got my chance. I raised with QQ. He 3-bet me. I happily shoved all in and he called. Notice in my above description of him, I never said he ever reraised anyone. Thinking about it after the hand, I realized that was the first time all night I ever saw him reraise. He had KK.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't shove here at all - I think you should. For one thing, your stack sizes are smaller. And for another, your villain might play totally different from mine. I'm just saying your above description isn't really enough to make a call on. Some noobs with little knowledge are never going to have the confidence to get aggressive with anything but the nuts. Others are different.

  • fluffybluffyfluffybluffy Red Chipper Posts: 5
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Villain LAG and hasn't shown much knowledge about poker. Loose player who doesn't understand SPR or anything of that nature.

    Here's a lesson I learned not long after I started playing live in a casino. There was a terrible player at our table. He either raised or called a raise about half the hands he played. I played with him for about 6 hours, and could never get him. I kept asking the poker gods please, give me a hand against this guy.

    Finally got my chance. I raised with QQ. He 3-bet me. I happily shoved all in and he called. Notice in my above description of him, I never said he ever reraised anyone. Thinking about it after the hand, I realized that was the first time all night I ever saw him reraise. He had KK.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't shove here at all - I think you should. For one thing, your stack sizes are smaller. And for another, your villain might play totally different from mine. I'm just saying your above description isn't really enough to make a call on. Some noobs with little knowledge are never going to have the confidence to get aggressive with anything but the nuts. Others are different.

    Cheers jeffnc for that. There definitely is a difference between frequencies in opening a pot and 3betting. Next time at the tables I'll have to take more notice! But yeah, I would shove again if I had to.

    Villain had KK, boo!
  • fluffybluffyfluffybluffy Red Chipper Posts: 5
    -ev wrote: »
    Yeah, what SS said. Don't like folding in this spot unless I've never seen a 3b from the V. You'd only have 35k left if you flatted, and you'd have to jam every single flop imo if you chose this line. Villain can make better decisions with his hand after seeing the flop, and I think will make a lot more correct decisions.

    Yeah, jam and run good would be my take on it

    -ev thanks mate, running good never hurt anyone :)
  • BenLeewoodBenLeewood Red Chipper Posts: 280 ✭✭
    The key piece of information here is the payout structure. Sounds like you have to make it to the final 2-3 players to make the tournament worth playing. You could get away from this if you suspect KK or AA. But you have the third best starting hand you can get. Time to shove. Your either going to cruise into the final table looking to win the whole thing.....or be put out of your misery instead of playing passively and trying to eek your way to the money.

    Whenever I fold in a situation like this, I end up going out around the bubble. With NO chance of winning the thing I might add. I'll ponder folding my QQs and wish I would have taken my shot then.

    Sorry to hear about the dreaded KK!!!!! Just a cold deck situation that even most of the best players in the world wouldn't be able to get away from (given the circumstances).

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