Pre flop decision

chimerachimera Red Chipper Posts: 94 ✭✭
Local Casino, regular weekly tournament.

First hand after break. The previous hand (before the break) I lost a massive pot when I called very loose UTG show with QQ. Villian had 55 but made set winning 75% of my stack

I imagine my table image is LAG but might be considered tilty due to last hand

Folds x5

BTN opens for 2.5BB from his 30BB Stack. He is a somewhat unknown. He was been at table about an hour and has opened almost everytime it is folded to him in late position.

Hero in BB with KQo. Stack 14BB



  • dougbeebedougbeebe Red Chipper Posts: 1
    Shove. You're ahead of a standard steal range, and not deep enough to do anything else.
  • sparkyAAsparkyAA Red Chipper Posts: 160 ✭✭
    There are so many variables that aren't listed that would very well determine the action. A few of these are:
    Is there an ante as well as blinds (this is important in determining fold equity)
    What is the average stack of the tournament? (We approach this spot differently if the average is 40 bbs or if the average is 10 bbs)
    What is the payout structure and how close are we to the payout?

    With this spot, based on not knowing anything, here is how i would break it down
    Opponent's range: Sounds like he is pretty loose when it is folded to him late in position, so let's say pairs, 87s+ type hands including K8s+

    So let's analyze our options:
    Fold: I would consider this the worst play, as we are ahead of most of his range

    Call: I believe a lot of players may just call here, which i believe to be the second worst play. We are ahead of a lot of our Laggy opponent's range, and out of position with a shorter stack. By calling, we pretty much will only continue if we pair our hand or flop a monster draw. this will of course not happen very often

    Raise: Ok now we are talking. Many players in this situation would either call the bet (passive) or raise all in (aggressive). The all in play is not a bad play at all, especially if there are antes that equal another BB in the middle. This puts maximum pressure on the opponent, and your stack has enough strength that the opponent may fold many hands that are slightly ahead. However, if you do get called, you are surely behind

    Personally, I believe the best play would be to raise to something like 6 BBs. This represents a lot of strength, as you are raising out of position and by not going all in many would consider this to look even stronger, as you are trying to entice your opponent into the pot. This play has you raising 3.5 BBs into a pot of at least 3BBs (depending on antes and adjusted because we are the BB), so if he folds here 54% of the time, we are profiting. The beauty of this play is that if he calls, we can pull the stop and go and push all in on the flop and now we are betting 8BB into a pot of 12.5 BBs. This is enough to push him off some hands that are ahead of us if we miss the flop such as A high.
    Another huge benefit of this raise is that if he comes over the top and pushes us all in, we can either call or fold. This play gives us the power of the preflop all in raise without risking all of our chips, and gets worse hands to call us for us to profit from.
  • chimerachimera Red Chipper Posts: 94 ✭✭
    Ok, there are no antes, we are nowhere near the money: 5 get paid 24 remain. I don't really know the average stack as I don't know anything about the other tables . I am the stort stack at this table.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • BenLeewoodBenLeewood Red Chipper Posts: 285 ✭✭!!!!!!!! Especially since he has opened almost everytime it's folded to him. I'm not shoving because I love my KQ. I'm shoving because this guy seems to be making a move. If your called, your goose is cooked most likely. There's a small chance that he thinks you're still steaming and calls you with a KJs or a mid pair. But usually you just take this pot down and keep plugging away.

    A shove here can also help your image. It sends a message to the other players that they may have to put in 15-20 big blinds if they want to play a pot with you. Only you know that you've recovered from the tilt. Everyone else will most likely tread lightly around you since you appear to be a time bomb. "And who could blame him after a bad beat like that" they'll say to themselves. Use this to your advantage and climb back. Can't wait to hear the next action....
  • chimerachimera Red Chipper Posts: 94 ✭✭
    Thanks guys. This is what happened: I did indeed shove, he snap called with AQ and I went home early.

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