letting of some steam

philby20philby20 Red Chipper Posts: 189 ✭✭
edited February 2017 in General Concepts
so i recently got a chance to play some live poker which is a bit rare for me due to work commitments i started with $500 bankroll and played 3 sessions playing 1-3 blinds and over the course of 3 sessions turned that $500 into $1600 at a steady hourly win rate which i was quiet pleased with. Then i went and played again on the saturday night i was in a good mind frame i had exercised before the session, meditated for a bit and even some warm up hands online so i felt like it would be another easy night with a roughly $40 hour win rate.
Then when i finally got to the tables it was as if i couldn't do nothing right my ak where getting out flopped by kq who hit 2 pair, my isolation raises against multiple limpers were meet with resistance and then check raised on the flop when i made my c bet on raggy boards, i turned a set of 10's and made a pot sized bet and was called by opponent with gut shot who no doubt got there on the river as i jammed my chips in thinking there was no way he called on the turn with that.
So after about 8 hours of play im down to my original $500 i started with tilt had well and truly set in, not crazy tilt but i found myself playing hands in a more passive way because every time i took the agg play i was called and meet huge resistance on the flop when the flop came not so strong for my hand, so i started playing the same way my opponents where playing which wasnt really working out for me either, my brain was cloudy and decision making became hard and wasnt making the best choices.
So i played one more buy in of $200 with my $500 and got stacked with that when there was a raise from cut off button calls, small blind calls and i look down in the bb with kk i make a standard squeeze to around 4x the original raise get called in 3 spots with a stake to pot ratio of 1 to 1 going to the flop. flop comes 10 10 5 rainbow im thinking well if they have a 10 good luck to them i half pot bet and get raised all in, i called getting 5 to 1 on my call hoping hes got jj's or qq's but knowing he had a 10 of course with the way my luck had been running, turn and river where both bricks and of course he turns over q 10 off to scoop the pot. so after that i left with some cash in my pocket but probably one of my worst nights of poker where i believe i had a big edge against my opponents.
I guess the reason i posted this was to get it out from my head it will probably help with the healing process and maybe some of you guys have similar stories where there is a happier long term ending which might help me in this difficult time. thanks for reading if you got this far :)


  • Steve007Steve007 Red Chipper Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2016
    So after all that you only lost $200. The stuff you're talking about is so standard and really not a big deal at all. This game is actually far more brutal than that. If you are new to live poker, then it can really be brutal. I found live NL to be a much bigger struggle than I expected, and I struggled for several hundred hours when I was first starting out.

    I think a bigger concern is when you say you started playing the way your opponents were playing. Your opponents are going to be bad players in a 1-3 NL game so if you're playing like them, you're going to be playing poorly.

    $500 isn't really a bankroll and even a great player will easily go broke a lot with that amount in a 1-3 NL game. I feel comfortable now when I play 1-3 but I wouldn't feel comfortable with $2k. And if you're winning $15-$20 an hour you're doing well. $40 an hour sounds like a possible winrate in bigger games.
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭✭
    so you lost 2300 in one long session...I kind of like stop losses...most players don't play their 5th buy in as well as their first...

    I also found for me that I often tilted (hidden tilt) after a really good run...I guess I could not believe these bozos could beat me, and when the cards were not treating me like the poker god I am, I tried to force it with ...to many bluffs and I finally hit my hand went for a little to much value type thing....I know kind of understand this tendency and am often a little careful after (hopefully during) a good run.

    Another thought Bart Hanson likes to consider his image in terms of lucky unlucky as viewed by the table..with good image he cbets more, and can play wider ranges (planning on more moves)...as the table respects him more...but when everything going wrong, the table goes after him more...he tightens up and cbets less....this has the added value of slowing down bad runs and helping you keep your composure...He goes so far as to rate his image 1 to 10 and rate the board 1 to 10, he wants them to add up to 10 type thing.

  • Riverboat BillRiverboat Bill Red Chipper Posts: 454 ✭✭
    edited January 2016
    I finally accepted the fact that I can run bad. I shoved a $500 raise on a weak draw and got called. Neither one of us had a pair and the caller beat me with a high card. Hand after hand, nothing. I could flop a set, bet half the pot and watch everybody fold. But make the same bet as a continuation and get three-four callers. Yesterday, I began to accept that I am just running bad. I sat down in a 2/5 game. Bought $1500, and in two hours I was down to 1K. I would take breaks to calm down. I said to myself, just play the best I can and I'll win again. I went on a run and won $1500. If they had KK, I had AA. They were calling everything I bet because they had seen me losing or were fish. Then I started to be able to push people off pots. I lost a big pot and left. I had played well past the amount of time I planned and too many new players were sitting into the game.

    Tighten up and accept that you have to get some cards to win showdowns.
  • philby20philby20 Red Chipper Posts: 189 ✭✭
    i totally agree with the comments about when you are not winning players will play better against you, your c bets work less and you don't get no respect, i think next time i try tackle live poker i will only bring 3 buy ins with me because it is definately harder to play your best after losing the 3rd great advise guys thanks
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, 3 bullets is pretty standard for most players. Casino will be open when you have rested and cooled off, it isn't going anywhere. You just happened to be on the other side of the flips and run outs during this session. Definitely can get to your mental game though, especially if you built up somewhat unrealistic expectation with your previous sessions (+120 BBs a session is a lot!)
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,075 -
    philby20 wrote: »
    so i felt like it would be another easy night with a roughly $40 hour win rate...

    You don't ever want to think like this. One sessions' results mean nothing and you don't want to to use a single session's results as your next session's benchmark. Just go in, play your best, and study the spots that confused you later.
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  • Steve007Steve007 Red Chipper Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    I remember that I tilted most easily when I first started out. I thought live poker would be much easier than it was and expected to win a high percentage of the time, so I easily got frustrated when things would go against me. If I had 2 or 3 losing sessions in a row it really bothered me. Also when I won, I was quite pleased and became overconfident.

    If you go in with really high expectations, then I would expect you to get frustrated a lot when things go against you.

    Also if you don't have any experience with running badly and coming out of it, then you probably will get frustrated more easily. A lot of complaints about running badly come from newer players who don't have much experience with that.
  • Steve007Steve007 Red Chipper Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    I'd be careful with the Bart Hanson advice. It's one thing to play differently in close situations. If the situation is borderline and your image is bad, not c-betting could be the right decision in spots where you would normally c-bet with a better image.

    But I wouldn't want to change my game up so much that I'm actually playing in a way that will win me less money. And I'd expect Bart Hanson to agree with what I'm saying here btw.
  • philby20philby20 Red Chipper Posts: 189 ✭✭
    good advice guys i guess i did have a lot riding on this little indeavouir and after winning the first three sessions i thought it would be easy money from there on, i have played a fair amount of live poker but not since taking my learning to what i regard as the next level, one of the hardest things i found was not losing the money but losing the time invested and then explaining to the one who i should have been spending the time with that i lost nearly all the money. But i guess for now back to studying the game and will have another go in a few weeks, will keep the resignation letter as a draft copy for now lol
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't start considering your hourly rate until after about 250-500 sessions, personally. You might be a strong player, but even then I find it highly unlikely you can maintain a $40/hr win rate at $1/2 or $1/3.

    I know how you feel when it seems like you can do absolutely nothing right. All I can say is, that's why poker isn't for everybody! It's hard.
  • philby20philby20 Red Chipper Posts: 189 ✭✭

    thanks for the input jeff, it definately can be a hard game especially when things are not going as good as expected, i think learning how to loss and also loss the least is a skill all by itself cheers

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