2/5 Turn Barrel

Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 669 ✭✭✭
2/5 Casino 7 handed

Villain UTG $500 - He had been at the table for maybe 30 minutes. He was playing more hands than average but not obscenly so, therefore I don't know if he's too loose or just catching cards.

Hero UTG+1 $500 - I had been at the table for over an hour. I had not played in many pots due to lack of cards. I imagine I look overly tight but I can't be sure that I look like that to Villain.

Villain limps. I raise to $25 with :9h:9d. All folds to Villain who calls.

FLOP $50 :Ad:3h:Tc

Villain checks - He does not check right away. He counts out some chips as if to bet. Then checks. I normally am not tuned in to physical tells, but I have found this to a reliable tell that Villains are weak.

In addition, as I am working on ranging, this hits me more than him.

I bet $35. Villain, thinks briefly, then calls.

TURN $120 :Ad:3h:Tc:7c

Villain checks
Hero checks

Do I need to double barrel here and rep my range better? I feel as if I let my actual holding dictate my check as opposed to my range.
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  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Turn is a blank that lets you keep firing to fold a ten. Some villains never fold top pair so the key is to know that from the start.

    The silver lining is that if you go to showdown as played you'll get to correlate his behavior with a holding and situation.
  • sparkyAAsparkyAA Red Chipper Posts: 160 ✭✭
    As persuadeo stated, this a good card to keep firing on. Typically aggression will yield the best results in these situations. By checking, you are inviting him to bet the river, which puts you in a tough position. If you bet the turn, you may take it down. If called, he is very likely to check the river to you, which you can justifiably check or bet for value/bluff depending on your read. I would much rather be on the offensive than defensive in this scenario. he could be hanging around with a hand like KQ or QJ, trying to catch the turn. Better to bet out and push these hands away than let them see a freebie
  • Christian SotoChristian Soto RCP Coach Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭
    I think including 99 in a Turn barrel range is potentially losing control of our bluffing frequency/range.

    If we are betting 99 are we choosing to bet 88, 66, 55, 44, 22? Where does it stop?
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i think that too but it's probably better than barrelling once, given read that villain is weak.
  • Christian SotoChristian Soto RCP Coach Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭
    Okay cool. That's important to note though IMO, that we are choosing to expand our bluffs on Turn because we have a read.

    As a default, I think we could even check Flop. We will have better candidates to choose as bluffs that pick up equity on Turn. With that said, betting Flop can be OK if our opponent will just fold KQ/QJ somehow.
  • SullySully Red Chipper Posts: 780 ✭✭✭
    This a pretty villain dependent but I do not like the A on the flop. Yes it's supposed to hit my range but passive villains like this have a lot of Aces in their range and many times these are the type of villains you are looking to felt when they refuse to give them up.

    So, I vote for checking the flop with the A. On the turn, fold to a bet or raise it if you think villain is a stabber and delay cbet if checked

    Other boards with 2 overs to my pair and no A, I like to cbet almost 100% and lots of barreling depending on runout
  • zagaresezagarese Red Chipper Posts: 200 ✭✭
    I think including 99 in a Turn barrel range is potentially losing control of our bluffing frequency/range.

    If we are betting 99 are we choosing to bet 88, 66, 55, 44, 22? Where does it stop?

    Can you expand on this please?

    What is the probably correct bluffing frequency/range here and

    What is the probably correct checking frequency/range here?
  • JesseJesse Red Chipper Posts: 134 ✭✭
    zagarese wrote: »
    I think including 99 in a Turn barrel range is potentially losing control of our bluffing frequency/range.

    If we are betting 99 are we choosing to bet 88, 66, 55, 44, 22? Where does it stop?

    Can you expand on this please?

    What is the probably correct bluffing frequency/range here and

    What is the probably correct checking frequency/range here?

    I suppose it really depends on your preflop range. If you're playing Ed's suggested range from EP (66+, A2s+, 76s+, suited broadways, AJ+, KQ) you'll actually hit this board a large %.

    If you checked all your Ax worse than AJ, KK-JJ and your missed connectors (98,87,76) that would probably be sufficient to have a balanced cbet/checking range...?
  • zagaresezagarese Red Chipper Posts: 200 ✭✭

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