2/5 Angry, Bad, & Drunk

Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 669 ✭✭✭
2/5 Casino 8 handed

Hero $1000 :5d:6d MP - At this time I had the biggest stack as some players racked up and left. I had won a few hands of late and was feeling better about my play from earlier in the session.

Villain 1 $650 UTG - He was only at the table briefly but had won a couple hands early. I have played with Villain before - He is Angry and Bad and as special bonus tonight, he's drunk as a skunk. I admit to finding some joy in watching him fumble getting his chips out of his rack. He had bought in for $470.

Villain 2 $195 Button - He seemed like a nice guy but previously to this hand was talking with a long lost friend and disclosed that he plays 'a lot' but I found it odd that he didn't top off being that he plays so often. And I play at this casino anywhere from 1-3 times a week and I have never seen the guy. In my opinion he was pretty straight forward and just slowly bleeding off his stack.

PREFLOP: ABD opens for $25. I call. Button 3-bets to $75.

I know I'm in trouble here. The Button has a hand. But ABD calls. I am fixated on him and his stack. I decided before ABD acted that I was calling if he did, but folding otherwise.

FLOP: $225 :7h:5h:2c

ABD checks. I check. Button shoves for $120. ABD folds. I call.

1) Is calling the $50 pre-flop a mistake? I was thinking of stacking ABD, I'm now getting better than 3-1, and I close the action.
2) I called the $120 because I thought the Button could have big :Xh or a hand like :As:Kh. Do you agree or is this a fold?


  • dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    Getting over 3-1 is nice, stack of Villain 2 isn't deep enough. You have to hit a hand here because you know that last $120 is going in on the flop.
    There no room to make a play if you miss.

    Suited connectors play best when deep because of all the simi-bluff opportunities.
    In this case he only has $195 total. He's put a large chuck of that in pre and has committed himself to the pot with a range advantage of you.

    Now of course I know you're focused on the drunk duke with the bigger stack; once there's a 3-bet I think you need to change your focus. Especially with his stack being so short.

    V2 is straight forward according to you, I think light 3-betting is out the window.
    So JJ+ AQs+ AKo. And it might be less that this. I think you're at too big of a disadvantage to start with no enough wiggle room.

    With that given range, I think you have to call the flop bet. You're getting almost 3-1 and you have about 50% equity against that range with that flop.

  • ButchButch Red Chipper Posts: 163 ✭✭
    i am mostly folding my small sc hands preflop here. Just calling the drunks open is inviting a squeeze. If you really want the drunks action you need to iso and three bet here.

    Post flop as played button is in control with nothing behind. There is no upside when you hit your draw. Fold.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd fold the first time around because the situation isn't good enough. Butch's idea of isolating is probably better than just calling. The second time around is a fold for me too. If you're not willing to isolate to begin with, why should you call here?

    On the flop you have to call I think.
  • philby20philby20 Red Chipper Posts: 189 ✭✭
    i have to agree with what every1 is saying here i think suited connectors can be over rated and overplayed sometimes obviously they can make a monster but you want to see if thats even possible ie: the flop cheaply when u see a flop and theres a 2 or 1 spr you really hope to hit big there but the odds of that happening are slim, i will sometimes play suited connectors in a raised multi way pot if im on the button and stacks are relatively deep but short of that i like to be the openner with them in good position or limp behind in good postion and a passive table. that being said i would definately call on the flop given the situation u ended up in
  • JesseJesse Red Chipper Posts: 134 ✭✭
    Butch wrote: »
    i am mostly folding my small sc hands preflop here. Just calling the drunks open is inviting a squeeze. If you really want the drunks action you need to iso and three bet here.

    Post flop as played button is in control with nothing behind. There is no upside when you hit your draw. Fold.

    Woah! Once we've seen the flop and we hit a piece on that board, we're going with our hand! The pot is $345, $120 to call. We're getting 2.875:1 odds, which means we only need 25% equity to justify a call.

    If he showed us AA with the Ah, we're 22% to win. Since he didn't show us his hand, we have to assume that some portion of the time he has AK, and that is enough incentive to make the call.

  • ButchButch Red Chipper Posts: 163 ✭✭
    Jesse, I am sure you are able to make a little on this over many hands. But it's a small edge to bordering on a coin flip. In this situation, I'd be passing on this in game every time.

    If I had came along pre with this hand I'd call only if two diamonds are on the flop or if the 2 was a 4. I am not calling with just a low middle pair and a rr str8 draw.

    After reviewing the comments, I am pretty sure that math is favoring a call here. I am just not ever feeling that over the table.

    I am still sure that I am passing on the chance to call here pre almost every time. I'd probably 3 Bet ABD pre once in a while and most of the time let later positions have a turn at him. I hate calling and then calling again when squeezed.

    I would rather just not.

    The up side maybe real but, I am only seeing the down side when I am playing this hand.

    Could be why I am still playing live 1/2 NLH and barely staying ahead of the rake.
  • JesseJesse Red Chipper Posts: 134 ✭✭
    I'm thinking the preflop call was a mistake. However, once we've seen a flop and end up in the situation presented to us, calling or folding is a close decision. If opponent's hand range was QQ+,AK w/ Ah we're about 30%.

    In these close spots, you may as well call. I mean, we flatted the 65s and the 3bet to gamble a bit, right?.

    That said, I think it's fine to fold 65s to the initial raise - $25 is somewhat large compared to stack sizes, and we're only in mid position vs an UTG raise.
  • RCP Coach - Fausto ValdezRCP Coach - Fausto Valdez RCP Coach Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree with pretty much everybody here, SPR is way to small to play with SC especially with out the lead. If u really want the drunk guy ISO him and play him post with a deeper SPR head up. Other than its a fold pre

    As played u are to never fold when u pair up especially when villain has less than 1 SPR left, and like jesse said if he did showed us AA we are 22% to win but we need 25% to at least break even. However if there is a glimmer of AK in his range (which there will be) this is an auto call

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