The path forward

dcenterdcenter Red Chipper Posts: 52
edited March 2016 in Come Say Hello
Hey all,

I wanted to say a little about myself because I think it is important information needed to fully grasp what I am trying to say. I have been playing poker for about 10 years, but very sporadically, and not with any king of intensity or strategy. About 6 months ago, I started to play regularly and study. After about a month of online $.05 /$.10 poker I moved to local 1/2 cash games(home games). I was not doing too well. I decided to look online and stumbled upon Ed Millers article on how to crush 1/2 NL. It completely changed my perspective an the game, not to mention my bankroll. I have been keeping score since the first of this year, and I am up a little over $4000.00. (would have been more but I lost $450.00 last night, still licking my wounds) Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, but now that I have seen through the shrubs into the sacred garden of truly skilled poker players, I want to be one! The problem I am having is that I seem to be the very least skilled poker player on this site. I can read the articles, listen to the podcasts and watch the videos, but they seem to be overwhelming. I understand and agree with everything being said. I understand the math, the statistics. I agree and get excited about every concept, but I seem to be find the practical application once I am at the table. For some reason my opponents either don't fit the starting criteria for the move, or they fit perfectly but act differently.

I Have been working on my bluffing with some success, but my lite three bets are getting crushed, continuation betting (when I don't have it) seems to be behind expectations, and I have very little ability to put opponents on a tangible range that will have practical applications for me. I am not a good written communicator, and there are other things that are missing from my game, but what I really wanted to ask for was help in learning. Traditionally I have had trouble learning without a practical application, such as a workbook with answers, a computer program that makes you keep trying until you find the correct answer, or a classroom with quizzes and tests which forces you work through problem after problem developing the skill as much as the knowledge.

I have thought seriously about a workshop, but the ones I have seen were price prohibitive. (wife and kids) Anyway, as people learn in different ways, I just wanted to ask if there were any resources I was unfamiliar with, or any ideas at all on how to improve myself, knowing my own limitations. Especially the skill of turning a hand range, which I understand the concept of, into a nuts and bolts tool used to decimate my opponents.

Remember, I may be the least skilled guy on this board, so try to be nice, I am just trying to find a better way of learning for my personality.

Dave

BTW, I usually play in the casino in Cincinnati on Friday, and many times on Saturday, if any of you are local, lets meet for a drink.

Comments

  • philby20philby20 Red Chipper Posts: 189 ✭✭
    Are you a pro member I have been just watching heaps of vids on Eco well taking notes and pausing and re watching ect and focusing on coaches that are mainly focusing on life play eg Miller Sweeney and doug haul is a good place to start you can search vids via individual coaches
  • philby20philby20 Red Chipper Posts: 189 ✭✭
    Sorry typo Eco was meant to be red chip poker
  • ChipXtractorChipXtractor Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭✭
    Dave,

    I wish I had more time this afternoon to answer this question at length. I am sure that others will chime in with great advice soon enough. I will do my best to give you what I got right now and will come back later with a more in depth response. I have a ton of thought s on the topic of learning as applied to poker...

    Here is the thing ... I am getting the feeling that you are trying to do too much too soon. It is very difficult to try and learn *MANY* concepts and then go apply *ALL* of those concepts at once. What I would suggest is you learn a single concept and then master applying that concept before moving on to another piece of the puzzle.

    This of course is overly simplistic as poker is not really played in a singular concept fashion. All things fit together. But, you must understand that it is also not about about trying to cram as much info into your head as possible, and then just pouring that info out onto the table. It simply wont work, and all the effort will most likely hurt you more than help you.

    So here is what I specifically suggest...

    Take a look at the book Poker Plays You Can Use by Doug Hull.

    The book will teach you a single concept, and then give you a 'mission' to complete which will help you more deeply understand that concept and apply it in real time play.

    The most important thing you can do at this point is develop a habit of acquiring and applying knowledge. Spend some time now and create a method of learning and playing that will allow you to grow as a player consistently.

    Study - Play - Adjust.
    Study - Play - Adjust.
    Study - Play - Adjust.

    Spend twice as much time now working on how to learn instead of what to learn. It will pay off big time down the road.

    Good Luck.

    cXt
    Twitter = @ChipXtractor
  • grindngrindn Red Chipper Posts: 74 ✭✭
    +1
    Before I even read CxT's post I was going to also recommend Doug Hull's book Poker Plays you can Use. I had read Ed Miller's Playing the Player prior to that and found Doug's book really helped me grasp those concepts. The 2nd part of the book also gives you missions you can use to practice the concepts.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2016
    I do think pinpointing 1 thing to study theoretically at a time and hitting it hard is the best way to go. The old RCP system of 'here are some videos" wasn't really conducive to learning since each video was independent of each other for the month. Now you have the opportunity to cycle through various tags for videos so you can look at one area with a magnifying glass, instead of grazing over some general ideas

    Also, start with what you encounter most. It all starts with your preflop hand ranges since this occurs every single hand you're dealt. No point in diving into check raise river equities to start, since you can go through many sessions without encountering this scenario. Besides the fact that if your preflop is solid, this river scenario should be easier to figure out
  • Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 666 ✭✭✭
    Yes, get Doug's book. It's my favorite poker book of all time. I've reread it countless times. It's perfect for someone in your position. Also, I really liked Miller's newest book, The Course.

    In addition get involved in the forums. They've become my go to spot for learning. And I've learned from many a post on here. I'm amazed at how many times I posted a hand only to have people bring up points/concepts I hadn't even considered.
  • dcenterdcenter Red Chipper Posts: 52
    Thanks for all of the good advice guys. I just bought received Doug's book 3 days ago, so I still haven't had a chance to digest the knowledge. I was enticed by the missions, and can't wait to try them. As a matter of fact, the missions are exactly the kind of thing this post was originally about.

    I have not purchased Eds book "The Course" yet, but I have watched the videos, and I like everything Ed has done.

    I am sure that there are so many things that I don't even know that I don't know, but the one that keeps coming to the front of my mind is hand ranges and using them practically in decision making. Any insight into this topic would be appreciated.

    Lastly, I would like to thank everyone on this forum. I hesitate to post because I feel like I have little to offer other than requests for info, and I am not fond of writing. Everyone here has been positive and helpful, and that is a great quality, thanks a bunch!
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    dcenter wrote: »
    Lastly, I would like to thank everyone on this forum. I hesitate to post because I feel like I have little to offer other than requests for info, and I am not fond of writing. Everyone here has been positive and helpful, and that is a great quality, thanks a bunch!
    If you do offer not so great advice, someone is bound to come along and suggest something more optimal. I wouldn't worry too much about being 'wrong'. It's a great way to have your thought process checked.
  • RCP Coach - Fausto ValdezRCP Coach - Fausto Valdez RCP Coach Posts: 835 ✭✭✭✭

    Here is the thing ... I am getting the feeling that you are trying to do too much too soon. It is very difficult to try and learn *MANY* concepts and then go apply *ALL* of those concepts at once. What I would suggest is you learn a single concept and then master applying that concept before moving on to another piece of the puzzle.

    Study - Play - Adjust.
    Study - Play - Adjust.
    Study - Play - Adjust.

    Spend twice as much time now working on how to learn instead of what to learn. It will pay off big time down the road

    cXt

    Couldnt had said it any better my self, great advice

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