BOVADA ZONE win rate

AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2017 in Online Poker Hands
Please share your bovada experience and your success / failures.

My story is that I made a small deposit and focused on zone. I am showing a profit through my free cash out each month, but my hourly is not great. I cashed out most of my bankroll then went busto with the 10 buyin's I had left myself with after a nasty downswing. I was getting pocket 88 on 8J3 board. Would check raise get called, turn 8J3J , so I would put the guy on AJ and end up running into quads (200bb deep). That or KK run into AA 3 -4 times in the same hour. Bad beat stories can go on and on, but I am interested on hearing your story and if the games are beatable and for what win rate?

Some people are saying they are beating the games for 10bb+/100. I guess its possible, but the math behind it doesn't seem likely. For example at $25NL that would mean $2.50 / 100 hands with about 200 hands per hour so $5 per table. You can two table $25NL zone and two table $50NL zone. Does that mean a person who is really good at micros make $30/hr (four tabling 25nl and 50nl)?

Please share your success / failures. Considering redepositing or focusing on live once more.
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  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,057 -
    I don't play Zone so I can't comment on the WR-potential, but a few notes:

    1. 10BI isn't enough to weather the storm - especially in an unknown environment
    2. It's possible to do $30/hr across 25NL/50NL.
    3. Focus less on WR potential and hourly and focus more on studying and improving your overall game. Also remember that Zone is a pretty awful environment to become an optimal player since there is no information gathering or purely exploitative skill that comes into play. You can make money playing Zone - but if you have interest in playing anything outside of Zone at any point in your poker journey I'd suggest going elsewhere.
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  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've been trying to balance family, work, and poker. I use to play live quite a bit but would take quality time away from home. I was testing the waters with Zone as it would allow me to play quick session and focus on other things rather then spending all night at the casino.

    I 100% agree becoming a better player can only take you so far in zone because your readless. Hourly rate is what I want most overall in case something happens with my job and i need a fall back plan while I find work else where.

    Overall I think my best plan would be to go back to playing live but limit myself to short sessions and only couple times a week. As far as hourly is concerned I should focus on moving up from $1\$2 to $2-$3-$5 because hourly there will be higher than four tabling zone I. Believe. Maybe slightly higher variance in terms of money but less variance in terms of buyins. Biggest live swing I've ever had is 7.5 bi.

    Thank you for the response.

    Also I purchased your book dynamic so I am looking to apply some of the concepts to my game. I think the basic opening range is very tight from LP and some of the limp behind makes a lot of sense rather then iso big and still get 2-3 callers with a hand like 87s creating low sbr.

    Looking forward to posting some live hands in an interesting dynamic of 1 2 2 with a forced open of $5. Making it a shallow stack 2 3 5 game.
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,057 -
    GLGL!
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  • dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    You guys can pull $30/hr at $25NL or $50NL??
    How many tables is this? That sounds insane to a live player like my self...
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,057 -
    You guys can pull $30/hr at $25NL or $50NL??
    How many tables is this? That sounds insane to a live player like my self...

    It's a volume thing. 1hr of Zone is hundreds of hands/hr. 1 hour of live is like 30 hands...
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  • LinasLinas Red Chipper Posts: 3
    I doubt that with small player pools it is posible to sustain good winrate on ignition
  • LinasLinas Red Chipper Posts: 3
    anybody plays on ignition regulary here?
  • ArtArtBobartArtArtBobart Red Chipper Posts: 356 ✭✭
    edited January 2017
    I play 50NL or 100NL occasionally. 50NL is pretty soft.

    edit: I don't usually play Zone.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 426 ✭✭✭
    I play on Ignition, currently at the 25NL level, 2 tables at a time, full ring. I'm at about 4000 hands and profitable but am still dealing with an inevitable downswings after I reach a certain profit level. I've always found this to happen online. I used to be a conspiracy theorist that online was rigged but now that I'm a better player and know more, I'm going to blame it on variance and me being a bad poker player... Of course, I'm still not as good as many here but I'm much better than I was...and I still don't play with an active HUD. I can't imagine being able to pull $30 an hour but hopefully I can work my way up to it.

    I want to play more but trying to balance the family life and poker. I don't have live poker nearby other than a weekly home game. I can't put in the hours I want. It's nice to know its possible to pull a profit and I enjoy playing. I will keep at it and hope I can move up a level and maybe to a 3rd table soon.

    I just wonder what it would have been like with my current skill level on Party Poker back in the day.
  • Luis ILuis I Red Chipper Posts: 1
    SplitSuit wrote: »
    I don't play Zone so I can't comment on the WR-potential, but a few notes:

    1. 10BI isn't enough to weather the storm - especially in an unknown environment
    2. It's possible to do $30/hr across 25NL/50NL.

    Hey man, do you think this still possible ? I mean $30/hr sounds insane at those stakes... maybe you made a mistake with numbers ?

    Please, get me out of doubt

  • Gavin CapiralGavin Capiral Red Chipper Posts: 1 ✭✭
    I used to play ZONE rings as high as $100NL at one point. While it is possible to be successful playing in these games, I diverted out because of the following:

    1) High variance due to constant change of players on the tables
    2) Positions are flip-flopped and can mess with your mental idea of where you are each hand
    3) 6-Max...can't really profit that much unless you're going multi-way pots every time.

    Like you Austin, I played ZONE to feed my Poker vibe while balancing work and family. It didn't make sense after a while especially when I had a bad day at work or a fight with the wife...and that emotional strain carried on to this fast past playing. I would treat ZONE more like playing at an arcade and getting a thrill. Otherwise, to profit long term...consider going back to normal cash games and play full ring with the ability to assess every hand in a timely manner.

    [Note: I play every day at least one $5 SnG and session at least $25/50NL full ring for an hour or so]
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭✭
    10bb/100 was possible on regular tables with a bit of game selection at 200NLH last year. I don't know how much the games have changed but I suspect 25NL zone should be pretty soft.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Embrace high aggressive style since most play nitty and wait to make hands. Hard to tell who is 3 betting 10% or more compared to the basic 3% standard.

    Regular games are way softer but 4 tables at a time isn't much money.

    Say 10bb\100
    400\hands per hour
    25NL
    $10\hr
    If your extremely good.

    In reality maybe 3-5bb\100 do you make only $5\hr.

    Live cash FTW!

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