Too ham fisted on the turn?

jbruelsjbruels Red Chipper Posts: 134 ✭✭
edited April 2016 in Live Poker Hands
3-5 NL at local casino.

Hero in CO with :Qc :Jd and $500 behind
UTG +2 opens for $25, one call
Hero raises to $60
UTG +2 calls (has me covered)
Heads up, $150
Villain checks in the dark
Flop :9c :8c :4d
Hero bets $100
Villain calls, checks in the dark
Heads up, $350
Turn :Tc
Hero shoves, Villain mucks

The three bet is very light but villain is a drunk maniac who has been hammering the table for hours. I’ve seen him do this with hands as weak as 7-5 suited, betting and barreling multiple streets. I have 3-bet light in position with him at least once previously. He check-folded the flop. I wouldn’t ever venture a guess as to villain’s range. His play is so random he could have anything. I suppose the turn shove is targeting draws and any pair, possibly weaker straights. Would a check behind on the turn trying to induce a bluff from villain be better? How about a smaller bet, half pot again?


  • OneManCold85OneManCold85 Red Chipper Posts: 31 ✭✭
    I'd probably just bet smaller. You only have a pot sized bet left, so its not that big a bet, but if you think his range is so wide, then you're hoping to get called by some pretty questionable one pair hands like A9, JT, or T7 right?

    Seeing how he already called 100 on the flop, I'd probably stay around there, maybe a little bigger like 100-150. If he calls 100 again for instance, the pot would be 550 on the river and effective stacks only 260, right? A little easier to get it in when you don't make a full pot sized bet, but keep the bets a little more consistent from street to street. I feel like people that call X amount on the flop don't really like to fold for the same X amount on the turn, not to mention that it looks a little fishy/silly.

    Also, looking at his range of just calling the flop, probably a lot of not-so-great one pair hands - Unless he has the Ace or King of clubs, you can let some of those hands think they can catch up on the river, instead of shoving and having him make that decision on the turn. Any of those pair+SD or pair+FD hands is way behind vs your nut straight.
  • jbruelsjbruels Red Chipper Posts: 134 ✭✭
    Thanks. Appreciate the thoughtful response.
  • OneManCold85OneManCold85 Red Chipper Posts: 31 ✭✭
    Of course! Take them to value town @jbruels!!
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭✭
    Based on the opponent you described, I like the 3 bet pre but I'd probably make it a little larger, like $75. Bet small on the turn like $150, if he's trying to give you money then you don't want to push him out of the hand.

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