Donkey call off?

jbruelsjbruels Red Chipper Posts: 134 ✭✭
2-5 NL at local casino

Hero in CO with Ad-JH with $200
2 limiters, villain on my immediate right with $200 and opens for $20
Hero 3-bets to $50, folds back to villain who calls
Heads up, $115
Flop Qh-8h-5d
Villain shoves
Hero calls
Turn Jd
River 7s
Hero shows, villain mucks, said he had pocket 10’s

The call is probably more than a bit donkish but I’m pretty short and villain is a maniac who has been betting and raising extremely wide. I really thought he could have anything there, I had backdoor-backdoor draws (in addition to my pair outs that were probably good) and felt OK about my A high. I like my 3-bet pre but unsure about calling off my stack here. Thoughts?

Comments

  • mbehr1983mbehr1983 Red Chipper Posts: 635 ✭✭✭
    I am ok with it as played the SPR is less than one on the flop so u are committed.
  • GabeyJGabeyJ Red Chipper Posts: 436 ✭✭✭
    This is pretty bad. Your 3 bet pre should be all in you don't have enough left to really do anything else. Abd the flop is also pretty bad considering non of your cards could be live
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't see call offs this wide usually on a wet board. I agree this does look pretty bad. He could have you crushed to 3 outs if he has a hand like KQ here which will happen A LOT in this spot. His draws all have 40% equity or more against you. Even thought your 3 bet was tiny it is still a 3 bet and have to give him some credit for having some type of hand. In most cases you have about 25-30% equity. If you run range vs range (RVR) you might have like 45%. If he is a maniac i agree with either shoving preflop despite the large size of the 3 bet shove or a large 3 bet which commits you to like $120. If he is a maniac as you said you still have a lot better spots in the future espcially in position.
  • Jimmy3150Jimmy3150 Red Chipper Posts: 362 ✭✭
    Pokermageddon or something similar, really junkie hand to be 3-betting and getting involved in low SPR pot. Presumably you were having bad session hence why so short stacked? I'd just leave or rebuy.
  • jbruelsjbruels Red Chipper Posts: 134 ✭✭
    Short stack because that's my standard strategy in this game. Nearly everyone buys in for $200 and max is $300. So, it sound like my concern is valid and probably just not giving enough credit to villain. He's not a complete idiot, raising with 7-2, so what does his call-shove line mean and when I actually do the analysis, I'm in rough shape most of the time. Thanks, guys.
  • Steve007Steve007 Red Chipper Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2016
    GabeyJ wrote: »
    This is pretty bad. Your 3 bet pre should be all in you don't have enough left to really do anything else. Abd the flop is also pretty bad considering non of your cards could be live

    Can't he just shove the flop if villain checks to him? I do think $50 is too small but I only would have made it at least $70 if I decided to 3-bet there. A $200 3-bet after a $20 raise in a 2/5 game will look really massive. I've never seen a 3-bet that big in a 2/5 game.
  • Steve007Steve007 Red Chipper Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    Flop looks kind of borderline to me as hero doesn't need to be right that often with the pot odds he is getting. Even if villain isn't bluffing much I still don't think it's a big mistake to call. It just looks like a high variance spot that hero will usually lose. The small 3-bet PF makes the pot odds less appealing though.
  • GabeyJGabeyJ Red Chipper Posts: 436 ✭✭✭
    Steve yes it's massive but you can't 3bet 50% of your stack when you are playing with under 50bb you shouldn't be 3 betting light in general. If you do you'll fare better if its a shove. Note that this game structure is awful since you can't even buy in for 100bb which makes this game a crap shoot where you can't have much skill edge until stacks are a lil deeper

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