Hand # 2 XX on Jh 8s 4c
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PREFLOP: RANGE (16.1%)( 214 combos)
FLOP: RANGE (73%-of previous range)(141 combos)
Would you CB with: JT = Yes, 99-TT = No, AQ = Yes
TURN: RANGE (70%-of previous range)(93 combos)
Are you likely to bet or check with: AA = Bet, TT = NA, Draws = Bet
RIVER: RANGE (41%-of previous range)(39 combos)
Would you bet $140 with your entire range = No, Potting Over Pair+ Villain is spewy and has Mid Pair at best.
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FLOP: RANGE (73%-of previous range)(141 combos)
Would you CB with: JT = Yes, 99-TT = No, AQ = Yes
TURN: RANGE (70%-of previous range)(93 combos)
Are you likely to bet or check with: AA = Bet, TT = NA, Draws = Bet
RIVER: RANGE (41%-of previous range)(39 combos)
Would you bet $140 with your entire range = No, Potting Over Pair+ Villain is spewy and has Mid Pair at best.
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FLOP;
Betting JT, 99 and TT, checking AQ. I am also betting my gutshots, OESD, BDFD, and weak pairs. Betting 74% (206 of 279 combos)
TURN:
Betting AA, TT, OESD, FD, A high hands, and overs. I am checking gutters and middle pair. Betting 64% (120 of 187 combos).
RIVER:
Betting $140 with TT, 99 and overpairs. I believe I would pot trips or better vs this player for max value because I believe he will snap off with any piece of the board. I am also throwing in some bluffs at $140. My bluffs would be: T9 (16 combos) and A high (15 combos). I am betting 72% which is 86 of 120 combos and 31 of those 86 are bluffs.
Analysis: Initially on this hand, I was a bit concerned about including a ton of bluffs vs a spewy player because I know he is likely to snap off with bottom pair or something like 87o here. However, I also believe that he will be floating and chasing draws very often as well, all of which I can force a fold on the river with a good frequency which would require me to include enough bluffs to be able to do so.
Curious to know why you wouldn't bet 99-TT here. I think it's definitely the best hand most of the time here and you want to get value early in case the board gets tricky on future streets.
refer to millers 1%.
yeah...you and I are going to discuss this quite a bit in the mastermind =)
Looks alright to me. Do you think he would call A-high hands on the turn too? If not, could you double barrel more often?
I think there may be some but not many. AQ and some floated BDFD from the flop. Think he probably 3bets AK pre. Otherwise I think his turn calling range is mostly made up of straight draws and weak pairs. My concern with betting a high frequency on the turn was that he's calling so light and a lot of rivers would give this player type no reason to find a fold there either and I think I have a decent amount of bluffs in my range already. Is this a valid concern?
Not too worried =)
I think you may be giving this player a bit too much credit.
Sounds like I should worry too - would be great if you can share your discussion from the Mastermind afterwards on the forum. I was also checking TT-99 on the flop as those hands naturally fell in my "checking" range given that they're not Top Pair +, nor are they good "bluffing hands" type like draws that have strong equity when called & hit.
James - would you check those against another player type but are making an exception here because of the 'spewy' nature of this player? Or would you pretty much play TT-99 against everyone in this situation?
Thanks!
Ben
Opening range 14.3% 190 combos
all prs, suited aces, suited double B'Ways; SC's 76+, AQo+
(Miller's basic early opening range.) I do not use the 1% concept at this time.
Flop: Jh, 8s, 4c -- 59%, 76 combos
actions planned:
Check TP (12 combos), 2nd pr (TT-99) 12 combos, ,
Polarize CBet range:
Upper layer: Overpairs QQ+ (18 combos), sets (9 combos)
Lower layer: A2-A5 suited (15 combos), BDFDs (26 combos.)
Turn: Jc Board now Jh, 8s, 4c // Jc -- 79%, 55 combos
Bet over prs including AA; Quads, sets
Check TT, 99 for SDV, Ck FD, OESD
Bluff A2s-A5s
River: 3s Board now Jh, 8s, 4c, //Jc,//3s 81%, 45 combos.
Bet Quads, all trips (no bad kickers) Over prs QQ+, all $140. All for Value.
No bluffs left.
Odd that Super Spewy check called Pre-flop, Flop, and Turn.
I loosely gave him, initially, a pretty broad range based on the description.
He must have Something in his hand, to have done that.
He's capped, thus leaving all that out.
Maybe a medium pr or a failed Str8 draw?
PREFLOP: RANGE (18%)( 230 combos)
22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AJo+, KJo+
FLOP: RANGE(90%of open range)( 206 combos)
22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AJo+, KJo+
my whole range is coming along for a bet in hopes to end it it here
Would you CB with: JT = Yes, 99-TT = yes, AQ = Yes I am Cbetting my whole range
TURN: RANGE (49%-of previous range)(101 combos) Is this to nitty
88+, 44, AJs, A8s, A4s, AcQc+, AcTc-Ac9c, Ac7c-Ac5c, Ac3c-Ac2c, KJs, KcQc, KcTc, QJs, QcTc, J9s+, AJo+, KJo
Are you likely to bet or check with: AA = Bet, TT = yes, Draws = Bet
RIVER: RANGE (53%-of previous range)(54 combos)
Would you bet $140 with your entire range = No
Trips good Kicker Yes
Overpaid yes
Bluffs no I took almost all my bluffs out MUBS I guess. Leak Alert
This question made me ponder another question of "when do we actually look to lower our frequency?" Since we had opponents on opposite ends of the spectrum on these first two hands, my initial thought was to adjust my frequency when in reality I should be sticking around 70% because my range vs. these two types of opponents are different. So when do we actually look to lower frequency? Is it primarily based upon board texture and occasionally deception of our range?
Board texture and runout potential are huge elements, and of course position.
But at some point your betting frequency may get so low that you decide to say forget it and just check everything and work to build a proper check/defend strategy instead (especially important OOP)
AA-88, AK-A9s, KQ-KTs, QJs, QTs, JTs, AK-ATo, KQo, KJo, QJo, JTo
FLOP: RANGE (75%-of previous range)(120 combos)
Would you CB with: JT = Yes, 99-TT = Yes, AQ = Yes
TURN: RANGE (55.9%-of previous range)(57 combos)
Are you likely to bet or check with: AA = Bet, TT = Check, Draws = Check
RIVER: RANGE (99.7%-of previous range)(54 combos)
Trips with good kicker - Bet 140
Overpair - Bet 165
Bluffs - Check
FLOP: RANGE (68,6%-of previous range)(155 combos)
Would you CB with: JT = Yes, 99-TT = No, AQ = Yes
TURN: RANGE (44,8%-of previous range)(65 combos)
Are you likely to bet or check with: AA = Bet, TT =/, Draws = Bet
RIVER: RANGE (78,5%-of previous range)(65 combos)
Trips with good kicker - Bet 140
Overpair - Bet 140
Bluffs - Bet 170 (around 15% of my range is a bluff here)
Are you planning on doing this for every hand over a lengthy period of time?
That stinks. My 3 week membership just expired. I signed up to do Jonathan Little Pokercoaching site. I like the content on the Pro so still up in the air. Just need to show some profit and get off this roller coaster. I have to many leaks.
Flop: 88+, 44, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo, QJo 70% 120 combos
Great cbet board
Turn: JJ+, 88, 44, AJs, AcQc+, AcTc, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo, QJo 43% 52 combos
Club brings another draw so I think spewy continues to chase
River: JJ, 88, 44, AJs, KJs, QJs, JTs, AJo, QJo 52% 27 combos
I just bet my nutty hands because there is not much worse he is calling with unless he puts me a a missed draw bluff, which I do not believe since Flop was rainbow
My Preflop Range:
AA-22,AKo-AQo,AKs-A2s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s
FLOP: RANGE (37%-of previous range)(64 of 173 combos)
My Flop CB Range:
AJs,A8s,KJs,QJs,JTs,T9s,
[66.67]AA-JJ,88,44[/66.67]
[66.67]AhKh,AcKc,AsKs,AhQh,AcQc,AsQs,AhTh,AcTc,AsTs[/66.67]
[66.67]Ah9h,Ac9c,As9s,Ah7h,Ac7c,As7s,Ah6h,Ac6c,As6s[/66.67]
[66.67]Ah5h,Ac5c,As5s,Ah4h,As4s,Ah3h,Ac3c,As3s,Ah2h,Ac2c,As2s[/66.67]
[66.67]KhQh,KcQc,KsQs[/66.67],[50]TT-99[/50]
Would you CB or Check:
JT?: JdTd, JsTs, JcTc two of the combos have bdfds which make them strong enough to bet.
99-TT?: 12 combos. Lets bet half and check half
AQ?: We have 3 combos that are bdfds. I think we can bet 2 and check 1.
TURN: RANGE (56%-of previous range)(33 of 58 combos)
AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs,Ac8c,Tc9c
[66.67]AA-JJ,88,44,AcKc,AcQc,AcTc,Ac9c,Ac7c,Ac6c,Ac5c,Ac3c,Ac2c,KcQc[/66.67]
AA?: Bet
TT?: Check (Probably Check/Calling)
Draws?: Betting all flush draws(one happens to be a straight and flush draw)
RIVER: RANGE (56%-of previous range)(19 of 33 combos)
[66.67]JJ,88,44[/66.67],[50]AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs[/50],[33.33]AA-QQ[/33.33]
bluffs: Ac8c,KcQc,AcKc,AcQc
Would you bet $140 with your entire range? I would bet $140 with all FH & Quads.
Trips with good kicker?: Bet $140 50%, Check 50% with intention of calling.
Overpair: Bet 50%, chk/call 50%
Bluffs?: A super spewy guy may call A8 with 77,66,55,A4,A3.
I'll include 4 combos for river bluffs Ac8c,KcQc,AcKc,AcQc
Always the opportunist. :p
Will they be available for those that don't have a PRO Membership? I think a run through of how you'd do this type of analysis using flopzilla would be extremely helpful. I'm kinda lost.
FLOP: RANGE (66%-of previous range)(266 combos)
Would you CB with: JT = Yes, 99-TT = yes, AQ = Yes
TURN: RANGE (68%-of previous range)(162 combos)
Are you likely to bet or check with: AA = Bet, TT = bet, Draws = Bet
RIVER: RANGE (70%-of previous range)(114 combos)
Bet trips with good kicker? yes
Bet overpair? Yes
Bluffs? Yes, missed draws under Q-high
Opening Range: 14%
Combos: 190
Range: 22+, A2s+, AQo+, 76s+, All suited Broadway
Flop Cbet range: 100% of the previous range
Combos: 167
Range: 22+, A2s+, AQo+, 76s+, All suited Broadway
In this situation I would be cbetting 100% of my previous range as I would expect the BB's range to be very wide. I'm expecting to fold out his absolute junk and get called by a wide enough range that I will still have range advantage if called. Also as the opponent is super spewey I would be confident in continuing a lot of my range if he check raises.
I would Cbet with JT, 99-TT and AQ
I would bet the turn with 38.9% of hands from the previous range.
Combos: 65
Range: AA-88,44,AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs,T9s,AcKc,AcQc,AcTc,Ac9c,Ac8c,Ac7c,Ac6c,Ac5c,Ac3c,Ac2c,KcQc,KcTc,QcTc,9c8c,8c7c,7c6c
Once I the villain checks again on the turn I would typically not put him on a Jack as I would expect a lose/spewey player to be betting flop with top pair.
I would AA, TT and the OESD's and flush draws.
After the third check from the villain I put him on a slow played Jx or a missed straight draw.
So I bet 75% of my previous range on the river this is everything except the Ace highs and no made hands.
Combos: 49
Range: AA-88,44,AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs,Ac8c,Ac3c,9c8c,8c7c
With:
Trips good kicker - Same sizing
Overpair - I would size smaller, maybe $100, and be prepared to fold to a raise.
Bluffs - To be honest I rarely ever bluff rivers, I realise this is possibly a leak but it's a product of playing at my regular game as very few players will fold to river bluffs (if they have gotten this far they will generally call wide 'to see what you have').
Am I too wide by the time i get to the river? I just don't see any need to drop too many combos throughout this hand as played.
(%-form 21.0%)(# combos 278)
FLOP: RANGE 88+,A5s+,A3s-A2s,KJs,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,65s+,ATo+,KJo,Qjo
(%-of previous range 78.5%)(# combos 194)
TURN: RANGE AA-88,44,AJo,KJo,QJo,JTo,AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AcKc,AcQc,AcTc,Ac9c,Ac8c,Ac7c,Ac6c,Ac5c,Ac3c,Ac2c,QcTc,Tc8c,9c8c,9c7c,8c7c,7c6c,6c5c
(%-of previous range 52.6%)(# combos 92)
RIVER: RANGE AA-JJ,88,44,AJo,KJo,QJo,JTo,AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs-J9s
(%-of previous range 64.1%)(# combos 59)