live poker tells

AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
Video, article, podcast, or website that talk about poker tells?

I have been watching the videos from here and a quite a few live at the bike videos as well. I am slowly adding live tells to my arsenal or tool box if you will.

bet sizing tells
capped ranges
how they play their draws etc
Drink water (strong)
Avoid eye contact (bluffing?)
Can't put a sentence together (bluffing)
Finger or hand touches their face (weak)

Shaking (weak / strong???)
*this one i am really confused about as I played a huge pot tonight where my hand was shaking like crazy in a 500bb pot. For me shaking would be strength, but for most I find them to be nervous, so I guess its player dependent?

Starring you down to me usually means they have a top pair type hand, but flush or straight came in and they are trying to figure out if they are good or not. Again this is player dependent as I will do this with the nuts as well. In general it is generally a sign of strength.

Please share your tells in your tool box that you have picked up from your experience.

There was a video I seen on another site where they took clips from WSOP and put a video together on tells.

Maybe RedChip can do something similar? Would love to see Doug make a video on this as I really respect his game.

Comments

  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 3,950 -
    This is what you are looking for imo: http://www.readingpokertells.video/
    My new book lays out the playbook for AK. Grab your copy and start Optimizing Ace King!
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks splitsuit. Watched some of these videos on youtube although they are just samples. I do think half a buyin might be worth the video series though.
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 939 ✭✭✭✭
    my problem with the books and videos is that they never seem to rank them as the most common. For my poker play, I like to go to the table with certain ideas to work on. And given my brain these have to be limited.

    If I try to observe everything, I observe nothing. So I like to pick one or two tells to work on.... Then try to observe them in many hands..not just after a player goes all in....

    I've come up with Timing tell number one...A quick call means they did not have to think about it. This unfortunately depends on the level of player your playing...for most of my games this is a draw....they call quickly with draws. Other players this may be a week made hand (bluff cathcher), they think about raising or folding draws, and raising or calling big hands..but call quickly with top pair or 2nd pair. Other players take there time with week made hands (nitty) thinking weather to call or fold....

    The second most useful one is shaking leg, though not everyone does this...if it stops shaking it generally a bluff....(works for talking a lot or humming as well).

    But for me that it for now....watch for these get a feel....


  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    Eazzy wrote: »
    my problem with the books and videos is that they never seem to rank them as the most common. For my poker play, I like to go to the table with certain ideas to work on. And given my brain these have to be limited.
    Ranking them I think would give someone a false sense of security as far as reliability. Also, it would be the first one I would personally reverse engineer, and I'm sure I'm not alone. In turn, driving down the ranking and reliability.
  • JackofClubsJackofClubs Red Chipper Posts: 52
    Annie Duke was discussing poker tells once and this is one she shared: If a player is blinking a lot before or after a bet/call/raise the player is nervous about the move and is weak. When you sit down at a table look at everyone to see if they naturally blink a lot and eliminate this tell for a player that blinks a lot.
    For hand shakes -- I have Benign Essential Tremors so my hands shake a lot - check this out on older players before using the tell during a hand. I have had other players comment about my hand shaking during a hand because they were not observant prior to the hand.
    I think when a player is staring at you they are weak and trying to intimidate you.
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 939 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    Eazzy wrote: »
    my problem with the books and videos is that they never seem to rank them as the most common. For my poker play, I like to go to the table with certain ideas to work on. And given my brain these have to be limited.
    Ranking them I think would give someone a false sense of security as far as reliability. Also, it would be the first one I would personally reverse engineer, and I'm sure I'm not alone. In turn, driving down the ranking and reliability.

    Ranking may have been the wrong word. I think the most common ones are important so you can learn them first, gain confidence. One needs (well I do) needs a model for learning to read tells.

    Having a book with defensive tells and bluffing tells..and action after a big bet tell or whatever is just not a good approach for learning... It should be take these 2 or 3 tells to the table watch them for the next 10 sessions...then re read the authors thoughts...add another one in. This way you learn the tell for your game and you rreggs.

    A course on hand reading step by step...not an encyclopedia of tells which is what most books tend to try to do, and leave most players confused.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    f a player is blinking a lot before or after a bet/call/raise the player is nervous about the move and is weak.
    I love watching old footage of durrrr for this, just refuses to blink or move.
  • Jimmy3150Jimmy3150 Red Chipper Posts: 362 ✭✭
    What's everyone's view of the much asked "show if I fold?" - when asked this when running a bluff is it better to do a durrr and just say nothing? Guy yesterday asked me this and a conversation ensued about how I also wanted to see his cards etc. I was trying to be as relaxed/comfortable as possible. He seemed to have the read over me since he said "I know you want me to fold" ... But then folded anyway.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    Jimmy3150 wrote: »
    What's everyone's view of the much asked "show if I fold?" - when asked this when running a bluff is it better to do a durrr and just say nothing?
    "Nah, I don't show if I don't have to" is my default. Rehearse a decline, whatever fits into your dialect, and stick by it.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If a player ask to see my hand (hasn't happened recently), what I learned from Doug and the rules of poker is the rule is set in place to prevent collusion. I will ask him / her "are you accusing me of collusion?" Then muck my hand.

    A common line in my casino when a player ask to see someone's hand they reply back "I had $60." Or whatever the bet was for the player to call.

    A little off topic from tells though.

    I have tried to focus on tells recently but I seem to pick up on nothing. I resort back to playing against their overall range and trying to make best decision. Seems like a lot of players have far less tells than I expected them to have after watching so many videos.

    One tell i picked up on that most of you know about is how they bet with their chips. Do they stack them and put them out or do they splash the pot? For me if its a small bet I usually let the bet splash the pot so they can see its 5 chips as opposed to stacked. However, bigger bets say if its $40 I will do ($20+$20), but the 2nd 20 is kinda splashed. The point being is that players that keep their bets stacked saying $50 bet are usually strong bets if they put them out as one stack. I think I am pretty consistent with my posture and the way I lay out my chips. However, since I do not have anything most of the time I guess it would help if I just stick one stack out there, so it looks stronger.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    Austin wrote: »
    If a player ask to see my hand (hasn't happened recently), what I learned from Doug and the rules of poker is the rule is set in place to prevent collusion. I will ask him / her "are you accusing me of collusion?" Then muck my hand.
    Seems like a great way to make friends and to keep a game lighthearted.

    I'd be looking for a seat change after this dark cloud was put over the table

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