Greetings from Arizona

Travis LovelletteTravis Lovellette Red Chipper Posts: 2
Hello Everyone,

My name is Travis, and I have been playing poker casually for several years. The end of 2015 was when I decided to take poker more seriously and make an honest effort to improve my game. Since I cannot (legally) play no limit hold'em in Arizona, my game of choice in all of the card rooms is $4/$8 limit hold'em.

I do find it a bit difficult to find tutorials specific to limit hold'em. My main sources of information has been the following books:
1) Small Stakes Hold'em (Miller, Sklansky, Malmuth)
2) Winning Low Limit Hold'em (Jones)

My overall goal is to just go through the process going from casual gamer, to serious hobbyist, to supplement my income, to being a full time grinder.

I currently do have a day job. I try to go to a card room at least once a week.

I hope to find other people I can talk to online (hopefully in person too).

If anybody wants to talk to me, please contact me.

Comments

  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,857 -
    yeah, limit hold'em is going to be tough to find much on in the modern literature. I hope you are playing for the love of the game, because $4-$8 is going to be difficult to beat because the rake is such a high percentage of the pots.
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  • AcesaladAcesalad Red Chipper Posts: 240 ✭✭
    If you search the internet, Ed Miller has some old, free Youtube videos on Limit, There are worth checking out.
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,057 -
    Welcome to the forum Travis! Might I suggest giving NLHE a try since LHE is a pretty dying (well...dead) game?
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  • grindngrindn Red Chipper Posts: 74 ✭✭
    edited May 2016
    [quote=" Since I cannot (legally) play no limit hold'em in Arizona, my game of choice in all of the card rooms is $4/$8 limit hold'em."[/quote]

    I have visited Arizona a couple of times and played at Talking Stick. While it is true, that Arizona does not have No Limit Holdem, they do offer a 2/3 spread limit game with bets up to $100 which plays like a capped no limit game. I believe they also had something like $2/$5 with bets up to $500. These play pretty close to regular no limit games that are not real deep stacked.

    If you truly enjoy limit holdem, that's fine but if you want to learn no limit, go for the spread limit games which are pretty darn close to no limit.

  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    SplitSuit wrote: »
    Welcome to the forum Travis! Might I suggest giving NLHE a try since LHE is a pretty dying (well...dead) game?

    Az just has spread limit that plays pretty poorly. Max bet in AZ is $250 regardless of what is being played, I'm pretty sure, which is 50 BBS. Not even completely sure if that can be raised, I played once, gagged at the action, stuck with tournies and home games. There's decent LHE, mainly due to not really being much of another choice. Tournaments are really what we have out here for any NLHE.

    I'm half tempted to revisit it with a fresh set of eyes to see what can be adopted from NLHE, and left behind, but last time I played it left such a sour taste in my mouth, I can't really convince myself to. After living in henderson NV, it felt like potty training for lack of a better analogy
  • porterporter Red Chipper Posts: 313 ✭✭✭
    Az just has spread limit that plays pretty poorly. Max bet in AZ is $250 regardless of what is being played, I'm pretty sure, which is 50 BBS. Not even completely sure if that can be raised, I played once, gagged at the action, stuck with tournies and home games. There's decent LHE, mainly due to not really being much of another choice. Tournaments are really what we have out here for any NLHE.

    This is all incorrect and has been for several years at least. We have 2/3 $300 cap, 3/5 $1000 cap, and 5/T $2500 cap. You can bet and raise in increments of up to $500 in 3/5 and 5/T. (Max bet in AZ is $500. So if someone bets $250, you can raise to $750 max.) The betting is capped at the third raise unless it's heads up.

    At 3/5, it plays liked a normal deep-stacked game. Somewhat less so at 5/T.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    porter wrote: »
    This is all incorrect and has been for several years at least. We have 2/3 $300 cap, 3/5 $1000 cap, and 5/T $2500 cap. You can bet and raise in increments of up to $500 in 3/5 and 5/T. (Max bet in AZ is $500. So if someone bets $250, you can raise to $750 max.) The betting is capped at the third raise unless it's heads up.

    At 3/5, it plays liked a normal deep-stacked game. Somewhat less so at 5/T.
    It's been far to long since I actually sat down, and when I first moved back to Az, the casinos I frequented might not have been up to standards. Think it was about 3 years ago I went to Talking sticks and they said they had 2-5 spread with a max bet of $250, but timeframes are probably one of my weaknesses. I worked graveyards for a few years, and there was only two types of days, ones I worked and ones I didnt. Also only two seasons, not bad and stay inside. I'm I'm my early 30s, and actually have to pause and think for the exact age.
  • Travis LovelletteTravis Lovellette Red Chipper Posts: 2
    Hello!

    Thank you everyone that took some time to welcome me to the group, I really appreciate it. Yes, I do play at Talking Stick Resort mostly, but I will try a few other rooms too. Any information or insight would be appreciated.

    I'll be asking some questions very soon (hopefully in their correct topics), but I did want to ask about what has been talked about in this thread regarding 2/3 spread games.

    I thought spread games worked by limiting your raise size. In 2/3 you can only raise from $2 or $3. Am I wrong in that?

  • grindngrindn Red Chipper Posts: 74 ✭✭
    Yes. You are wrong on that. The $2/$3 are the small and big blinds. The betting can be anything from $3 to whatever the top of the limit is. According to Porter who plays there regularly it is $300. You can check with the floor or dealer when you are there to verify what the betting range is for each game. Don't confuse the blinds with betting limits. In traditional spread limit games the spreads were smaller, eg. in our old home game dealers choice games we used to play where you could bet anything between $1 and $5. In the Arizona games, apparently by having large spreads such as $3-$300, it is a way of making the game practically a no limit game when technically no limit is not legal.

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