Poker Dealer Update

RickyNateRickyNate Red Chipper Posts: 31
Not long ago I posted in the forum asking questions on what to expect from Poker Dealer School, and what to look for in terms of practice and what not in dealing in a casino. Thankfully, after a lot of hard work, I received a job offer at a casino in the Midwest, which I of course accepted. Obviously nervous, my first four days are finally behind me. At first, I had trouble with variances in my rack and other things that are usually very easy to me, simply because of nerves. Hopefully that's going to get better fast. That's not why I'm writing though. I've had difficulty with a couple things, and as I'm relatively new to playing poker in a casino (thanks to a small bankroll), I haven't seen many of these issues before despite the fact that they're very common. Before anyone gets pissed at me again, let me make a few quick disclaimers:
1. Class consisted of 12 initial students and 1 table
2. I dealt more in the first hour than I did the whole six week course
3. Many of my fellow classmates cared little and wasted a lot of time.
There.
I was dealing yesterday, and after a couple of exposed cards in a half hour's time, the f-words started flowing my direction followed by "what did they even f***ing teach you morons in class. So I thought I'd explain why I don't "know it all". Now, since the few that are still reading are probably about to fall asleep, I'll get to the worst problem I have (aside from calculating pots. thankfully we don't have PLO just yet).

Blinds. Yep, you read that right. And yes, I should know this very well. Still, I have confusion with Missed Blinds. I thought I had it right when someone missed a BB so we had two BB and one SB, but a numerous amount of cursing showed me I was wrong. Is there a simple way of figuring when there needs to be two BB's, or two SB's, etc.? Thanks for bearing with me. Again, I know I should know this stuff already.

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  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2016
    sorry but it depends on the casino.
    in some casinos, there is a "dead button" -
    meaning if someone leaves on their button, it stays in the dead seat.

    in our casino, the button must ALWAYS move.
    so I will address your question from that perspective.

    In this case - there must always be a small and big blind.
    So if someone leaves on their button -
    the button moves to the small blind (who must post the SB on the button)
    and then
    we will have TWO big blinds
    why?
    (you'll see after the next hand)

    At the end of the hand,
    you will now have a SB on the button AGAIN
    but now you will also have a SB in front of the button
    and a BB in front of the SB.

    after this hand...
    there will only be one SB & one BB - so you're back to "normal"

    * * * *

    now say Player X leaves in MP and comes back after the button has past

    he missed his big blind, but he ALSO missed his small blind
    he must post BOTH
    but his small blind is put in the pot... it is a "dead" small blind

    If Player X happened to leave on his small blind but comes back
    he must post his SB - which goes in the center (pot)
    and he CANNOT complete this small blind if he wants to call...
    he must post an entire BB to see the flop
    his priviledge to complete the sb was during his small blind only.

    * * * *
    on average, players HATE blinds.
    and they hate to pay them.
    So if someone misses a blind, they expect that player to pay.
    (some players are angle shooters who will try to skirt that rule)

    as long as you use the missed SB or missed BB buttons whenever a player gets up - you should be okay.
    just remember, a missed BB is a missed BB AND a missed SB.
    a missed SB is just a missed SB - and it's "dead" money that goes in the pot.

    hope this helps.
    GL
  • RickyNateRickyNate Red Chipper Posts: 31
  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2016
    BTW- there are a couple of excpetions to the rules above.
    Here are a few:

    in some casinos, a player is allowed to "buy the button"
    this means, if he missed his BB but somehow is seated in time for his SB - he can post BOTH the big and small blind at the same time... and he is effectively BOTH blinds.
    The guys behind him don't have to post anything in this hand.
    But in the next hand, he will be the button - and they will become the blinds again.

    the other is when you're running a "red chip" game.
    in our casino, if a player enters an empty seat at 2/5+ NLH or 15/30 Omaha, he must post the BB only to get a hand. He may also choose to wait for his blinds and not pay or play until then.

    And then there's the "Mississippi Straddle" -
    if a player missed his BB - in our casino he has the option to post both his Big and Small blind at the same time, or straddle - in which case he doesn't post a dead small blind.
    (but missed BB can't ever straddle if he's buying the button!!)

    Keep up the good work, Ricky.

    Remember - it's better to deal all cards face down slowly, rather than deal fast and flip an occassional card face up.

    gl
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What I'm confused about is why isn't your manager at the casino explaining this to you? Even though you went to dealer school, individual casinos still have their individual rules and ways to handle things. I would have thought the casino would go over all their rules with you.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2016
    kagey wrote: »
    in some casinos, a player is allowed to "buy the button"
    this means, if he missed his BB but somehow is seated in time for his SB - he can post BOTH the big and small blind at the same time... and he is effectively BOTH blinds.
    The guys behind him don't have to post anything in this hand.
    But in the next hand, he will be the button - and they will become the blinds again.

    Right, and this one comes up a lot, so you should have it down pat. It's very common that a player misses his blinds and then sits down, and a good dealer gets things moving very quickly by simply saying "do you want to buy it?" and then making it happen.

    When you "buy the button", you aren't "buying" the button for this hand, you're buying the privilege to have the button on the following hand. If you didn't do this, you'd have to sit out the next hand (when you're the small blind), and then the button would skip over you, and most players don't like to miss their button.

    So, let's say Seat 8 is the BB and Seat 7 is the SB and Seat 6 is the Button. But before you deal, Seat 8 has left the table. Someone has to post a BB each hand, so now it has to go to Seat 9. Seat 7 keeps the SB and Seat 6 keeps the button.

    If Seat 8 has not returned by the next hand, he has lost the chance at his button. (Normally he'll just be required to post an additional BB in the Cutoff seat after the button passes him, or he can sit out all the way until the BB gets to him again.)

    If Seat 8 has returned in time, he would normally be the SB, but obviously that would throw everything off. He would have gotten away with not paying his BB, and then seat 9 would have to pay the BB twice - not gonna happen.

    Seat 8 now posts the BB , but has to put in the SB he missed as well (the SB goes straight into the pot in the middle.) Now seat 9, who posted his BB the previous hand, is UTG. Seat 7, who posted the SB the last hand, is the button, like normal. Seat 8 has lost his SB to the pot, but pays and plays his BB just like normal.

    Now on the following hand, Seat 8 gets to play his button. Seat 9, who was UTG the previous hand, but paid his BB the hand before that, now becomes the SB and seat 10 becomes the BB.

    It's most confusing for Seat 9 in this scenario, because he played his positions out of order - first BB, then UTG, then SB. But other than that, all the correct amount of money was paid.

    Technically it's not 100% kosher, because there's a hand in there with no SB player to make a decision to complete. And then there's a hand in there with an extra dollar just sitting in the pot, so technically there's dead money to play for that hand, which probably favors the button player. But these effects are so small that no one cares about them, as long as the game keeps moving along.
  • Robert BilskiRobert Bilski Red Chipper Posts: 4
    Little question to dealers out there. Can any sight defect, even minimal, be a problem to find a job as a croupier for me?
  • RickyNateRickyNate Red Chipper Posts: 31
    Little question to dealers out there. Can any sight defect, even minimal, be a problem to find a job as a croupier for me?

    I'm assuming you mean a "slight defect", and by that if you mean a record or history, then yes. It honestly depends on your state's gaming laws. When you get your license, it will be a thorough background check. If you fail to disclaim an arrest, misdemeanor, or even something expunged, you can be permanently failed from receiving a license.
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,771 -
    I suspect he actually meant "sight" defect, but I am curious to see how this all plays out.

    I have seen plenty of dealers with glasses, so I suspected corrected vision is fine.
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  • RickyNateRickyNate Red Chipper Posts: 31
    Little question to dealers out there. Can any sight defect, even minimal, be a problem to find a job as a croupier for me?

    My apologies if you really meant "sight defect". In that case, I think it depends how much of an issue it is, but many of the dealers I work with have glasses. It shouldn't be a problem, in my opinion.
  • Robert BilskiRobert Bilski Red Chipper Posts: 4
    Yeah I meant sight defect. Thank you for answering.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RickyNate goes into detail on my blog today, follow the link in the signature below.

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