Deepstack fun #exploiting pain thresholds at 1/2

TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
1/2 Casino 100-300 buy in
I have been exploiting alot, Has pain threshold up to $17-$20, Dominating table and Villians playing fir or fold. They have seen me play speculative hands enough and get caught bluffing a few times so they are making big $$ mistakes. Have widened my range alot,, calling very light as most are betting 5bb or less pre. Started opening usual and sometimes limp hands for $7. (Strange thing was I was getting a lot of folds because according to other players it looked like I was trying to suck players in to a trap... which in fact I was. Not because I had monsters but because I wanted better pot odds for the speculative hands I was playing).

Villian 1 was a level1 ABC mediocre reg.
Villian 2 recreational older woman, who was asking me a lot about Poker and the plays I was making etc. Has watched me stack a bunch of people, Very happy she is winning but doesnt like to gamble for big bets,

Hero 550bb UTG opens $7 :7S:5S
UTG+3 call
HJ Call
Villian 1 100bb Button Call :AD:QH
Villian 2 300bb BB :AD:5D

Pot 36
Flop :QS:5H:8C
Checks thru to Villian 1 bets 20
Villian 2 call
Hero Call (Pair with backdoors decides to float)
Fold, Fold

Pot 96 Turn :5C:
Hero Check
Villian 1 bets 50
Villian2 call
Hero Raise 150 (uses green chips and splashes pot)
Villian 1 Shoves with confidence picks up stack and firmly pounds it to the table
Villian 2 slight tank then folds

River bricks

Hero scoops it with trip 5s
Villian 1 gets up from the table saying "you opened with 75 UTG!!!)
Villian 2 shows her hand and that she would have won

I posted this as a demonstration of how pain threshold, exploiting, and table image do work at 1/2

Comments

  • LukaLuka Red Chipper Posts: 216 ✭✭✭
    How is opening UTG to $7 and not achieving any sort of isolation an implementation of pain thresholds?
  • LukaLuka Red Chipper Posts: 216 ✭✭✭
    What was the exploit?
  • TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
    Luka wrote: »
    What was the exploit?
    Villian 2 would fold to a big bet,,, by check raising big on a board she should have had little to no fear of I got her to fold a better hand.

    Also it was an over all about how the entire table was affected
  • TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
    Luka wrote: »
    How is opening UTG to $7 and not achieving any sort of isolation an implementation of pain thresholds?

    It was due to the fact that my bigger bets got the isolation and once the table tone was set,,, I was able to open my range up very wide and still have players unable to recognize the unbalanced range

    The whole hand played out as it did more as a meta play than a hand specific... Yeah and it was my favorite hand of the session (though stacking 2 people with :qd:2d: was pretty good too lol),,, because I got one villian to overplay a worse hand and another villian to fold a better hand
  • Christian SotoChristian Soto RCP Coach Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭
    Haha Luka dropping some bombs here because he seeing the entirety of the strategy in Vegas right now.
    Take it easy on em. Some decent things being done well.
  • LukaLuka Red Chipper Posts: 216 ✭✭✭
  • TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
    Haha Luka dropping some bombs here because he seeing the entirety of the strategy in Vegas right now.
    Take it easy on em. Some decent things being done well.


    I am thankful to what Berkey did on Instapoker because it not only showed the value in pain threshold betting but how and why you needed to add limps to this style of play. As compared to the more small ball poker where limping is an almost never do. Certainly both styles have their time and place and I do use both, depending on stack size, players at the table, my image that session, and table play type.

    I found it most surprising that when I started betting 3.5bb rather than limping or folding hands that were to weak to normally open I would get a lot of folds and also no one picked up on the fact that my range was weak in these spots. ,,, I added the small bet in the mix with the big ones specifically to get more action and play some more hands as the table was very easy to play against and I was getting so little action on big bets hands,,, When I bet $17 pre usually lucky if got 1 caller,,, whereas when other players tried the same thing and bet $17 pre they would get 4-5 callers as they hadnt instilled fear in the other players
  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    agree with Luka
    this feels more of RB's strategy...
    call with the worse of it, hope to spike something, then overbet and take a bad player's chips.

    @Travis - if you think this is Soto's pain threshold... you're gonna be in a world of hurt!
    "pt" starts pre-flop.

    BTW - you were lucky that V2 folded her trips. She should be raising and calling V1's all in.
  • TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
    kagey wrote: »
    agree with Luka

    @Travis - if you think this is Soto's pain threshold... you're gonna be in a world of hurt!
    "pt" starts pre-flop.

    BTW - you were lucky that V2 folded her trips. She should be raising and calling V1's all in.

    I absolutely agree,,, the point is not about this hand being a pain threshold but that it is the result of exploiting postflop and pt betting pre over the course of a session, As I repeatedly said my usual pt bets were closer to 10bb but then I expanded with a plan. To create confusion, get more action, and capitalize on table image. This had all been built up to by using pt... including making sure my truly big hands went to showdown and didnt fold out the opponents. Believe me normally UTG 75s hits the muck fast.

    So V1 played back because he couldnt believe my bets were telling the truth and was frustrated at always being on defense. You are absolutely right about V2, I had already got her to fold JJ on a 9 high board after having raised her preflop and then betting the flop with AKo. She feared my bets,had watched me build big pots, and stack multiple players she believed were a lot better than she was.... play the player
  • TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
    Perhaps I should change the thread title lol
    It was in part because of the people who had made comments in other threads about how pt play at 1/2 doesnt work,,, and to show how I was able to add unconventional plays that increased my win rate even more, once I had established fear in the table thru pt. The play would not have worked without all the pt play before it or if I had been playing small ball all night. Was a $77hr session at 1/2, which is the norm nowadays for my winning sessions.
  • TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
    @Soto this does bring up an interesting question...
    What do you do when the other players at the table stop playing against you when you open with a big bet and they all just fold?
    Has happened a number of times to me in the past few months after about 5-6 hours into a session. Literally, players open folding AKo and 99 in last nights session. It does get very boring just taking down the $3 blinds
  • RyanRyan Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    Luka wrote: »
    Lol

    What happens at s4y, stays at s4y. : )
  • LukaLuka Red Chipper Posts: 216 ✭✭✭
    Lol, I just asked a question? I may also ask for a witness to testify to someone open folding AK to a single bet pre.
  • volcanovolcano Red Chipper Posts: 346 ✭✭
    On my tables they have a pain threshold to frequent betting also. If you bet almost every time they all misadjust and play tighter hoping to stack you. Then its an easy game if they are doing it. Its also easy to adjust to the 1 or 2 who are opening their ranges up.

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