go ahead and rip me a new one

Rezzen42Rezzen42 Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
how bad was this bluff
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 150/300 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 56.68 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 17.74, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 63)
SB: 25.01 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 63)
BB: 32.93 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
UTG: 28.39 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.72, 3Bet Preflop: 2.90, Hands: 152)
UTG+1: 27.35 BB (VPIP: 21.11, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 90)
MP: 32.46 BB (VPIP: 21.52, PFR: 16.46, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 81)
Hero (CO): 46.15 BB

7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has :8c:Jc
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop : (6.2 BB, 2 players) :Qd:Ts:3c
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn : (6.2 BB, 2 players) :5d
BB bets 3.1 BB, Hero calls 3.1 BB

River : (12.4 BB, 2 players) :As
BB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 40.45 BB and is all-in, BB calls 22.23 BB and is all-in

BB shows Tc Ad (Two Pair, Aces and Tens)
(Pre 59%, Flop 69%, Turn 84%)

Hero shows 8c Jc (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 41%, Flop 31%, Turn 16%)

BB wins 66.87 BB


  • mbecks83mbecks83 Red Chipper Posts: 78 ✭✭
    edited March 2017
    Confused; is this a tournament hand or cash game?
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭✭
    What range do you think blinds defend against co steels look like

    I don't know where this is played...the anit a little confusing...and should widend the blind diffence a bit..

    But a tight players 14 10 ish (the tightest player so far at the table 21 hands)...would probably 3 bet...big pairs jj+ and AK....
    The only hand he likely calls that is not suited is AQo....(sure we can see that ATo is in his range) as it what he played so if we had seen this hand before, and took a note we could say his range is..

    AT to AQ...and proby KJ+. with out the read its AQo 22-1010, KJs+ QJs....and maybe A2s-A9s (or some part of that)

    The point is against either of these ranges....AQ is a big chunk... for the second AQ KJ (we block it a little) ATo is also a big chunk......

    Assuming he would not bet KQ after the A hit....and probably would not bet A9s-A2s...once the ace hit (all bluff catchers) again note if he value bets light. Kj got there, he actually has very few bluff in his range....

    j9s...maybe turning a small pair into a bluff???" and AJ (you block the A) thats it...

    So your bluff is a bit hopeful.

    Hint be careful against blind defenses with a Q on the board..since AQ almost always makes up a big portion of their ranges...

    Because you flopped equity...and there are hands that fold to a cbet...I probably C-bet smallish the flop to folld out the pair part of his range....and then on the blank chaeck back. once he calls the flop...a Q becomes a huge part of his range..
  • BotswanaNickBotswanaNick Red Chipper Posts: 696 ✭✭✭
    This hand seems like a problem from the beginning (including the fact that its a pretty borderline open especially at this stack depth). You flop some equity, but decide not to cbet. Then for some reason you decide to float the turn bet, when you don't have enough equity to do so. Finally, you hit a card that is a decent bluff candidate, but you raise so large that you are not repping any hands other than perhaps AT (always fun when we are repping what they are holding, d'oh). It feels like you had not plan and just didn't want to fold, its important to think through these things at the beginning, so you can have a plan and tell a story if you decide to bluff. Seems like a good Cbetting board, even though it does hit bbs defend range pretty hard, we have plenty of good turn cards to barrel. But if you decide to check back, you probably need to give up on this bad turn.
  • emkayemkay Red Chipper Posts: 32
    You capped your range on the flop, what hands in your flop checking range are improved by either the turn or the river? Not many IMO because you're cbetting most of your Aces on this flop expect for maybe A6-A9 if they're even in your range to begin with and they hardly warrent such a big raise on the river. Are you checking KJ on this flop? I think that by the river, you hardly have any strong value left in your range.

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