A Doug Polk Tweet today

JulesJules Red Chipper Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
Doug Polk tweeted "I never realized how much men try to push women around in poker till I started watching Hands for potential analysis"

He received quite a few comments on this. Curious to what you guys think?

Comments

  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    He is such an attention whore you can't even ascertain why he posted it. And this is coming from someone who likes him and has even spent an hour drawing him.
  • JulesJules Red Chipper Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    Ha! @persuadeo So he was just trying to get a rise out of Cate Hall?

    Well I used to think there was some truth to this...Until I learned how it could work in my favor against some opponents. Maybe since my game has grown up a bit more. I do still encounter some situations that this occurs..believe it or not..but mostly I'm told that I'm scary. :) (boo)
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Either you think about your opponent or you don't. You can delve into identity and gender and class if you like, but what a good player does is adjust to the player, not some gross generality.
  • Sean OSean O Red Chipper Posts: 298 ✭✭
    Our brains are categorization machines, and "female" is probably as useful a category for poker opponents as "Asian guy", "old man coffee", "kid with hoodie" and the like. No replacement for real data on a player, but slightly better than nothing or a starting point for understanding the person.

    I suspect that overall I have played a little more aggro against female players than male ones. That might be correct play though, if those particular people are more prone to calling/folding mistakes than betting/raising ones. I think that's been true in my very small sample size, and would certainly fit into some gender stereotypes.

    I've noticed the opposite as well, though. I've seen a lot of men miss bets against women in what I thought were obvious betting situations. Almost like it would be ungentlemanly to bet into a lady. Have people seen that too? Are men "polarized" in to both types of mistakes against women?
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I treat them as any other player depending on their skill level. What I have seen is a lot of soft play towards woman at my casino though. A lot of check downs
  • JulesJules Red Chipper Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    Sean O wrote: »
    Are men "polarized" in to both types of mistakes against women?

    Interestingly enough. Played a big tourney last weekend. One guy in particular played super aggro against me, but not against the other guys at the table. After losing several hands against me he stopped. This hasn't happened to me in a long time.

    Now he was a very good player. Maybe he thought I was weak by appearance or maybe he saw something in my play? I don't know. He had to test the waters I suppose. As @persuadeo mentioned above
    persuadeo wrote: »
    Either you think about your opponent or you don't. You can delve into identity and gender and class if you like, but what a good player does is adjust to the player, not some gross generality.

    This is how I try to approach these situations. What am I doing that they are playing against me like this? Are they really that good that they are adjusting their game to my play or are they assuming I'm a woman so I'm only playing xx and will fold to this play? How can I take advantage of their stereotyping?

    One more thing. Playing cash a few weeks ago guy says to me "women play straight forward." What do guys think in regards to that statement?

    So it's out there. But again as @persuadeo mentioned you need to think about your opponent. I believe most of you guys on here are too smart to get caught up in classifications. I was once told that you need to respect your opponent until proven otherwise.

  • Dean MDean M Red Chipper Posts: 183 ✭✭✭
    Jules wrote: »
    One more thing. Playing cash a few weeks ago guy says to me "women play straight forward." What do guys think in regards to that statement?

    notice how none of these are female...


    I think in general women are more risk averse than men. It has been said that males are more engaged with the 'calculated' part of their brain and females are engaged more with the 'emotional'

    I tend to disagree - I think females are more balanced in that they engage the 'calculated' and the 'emotional' together and consider the costs of a decision from both sides.

    Males are more disjointed in that they can engage the 'calculated' and completely disregard the 'emotional'... or, in the case of the video above... completely remove logic from the equation and do something that's only reward is to get them high-fives from their friends.

    I've seen some very good female poker players use the "women play straightforward" stereotype to destroy some regs at the table.

  • JulesJules Red Chipper Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    @Dean M This video made me laugh out loud! :):)
    Dean M wrote: »
    I think in general women are more risk averse than men. It has been said that males are more engaged with the 'calculated' part of their brain and females are engaged more with the 'emotional'

    I tend to disagree - I think females are more balanced in that they engage the 'calculated' and the 'emotional' together and consider the costs of a decision from both sides.

    So much truth to this.

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