Flop Falcon 101

SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,082 -
A lot of people have asked WTF Flop Falcon is and how the heck to use it. So I created this video in case you are interested =)



Feel free to ask any questions about FF in here...
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  • johnsupjohnsup Red Chipper Posts: 15
    Thanks James! I've had the software for about a month and actually attended Doug's webinar, but haven't yet worked out a consistent way of using it regularly. The video was a good primer (re-primer).
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,876 -
    Could not have said it better.
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  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    Great to see some Flop Falcon Videos. Interesting note mentioned by James. Flop Falcon will calculate how often certain flops occur. This is huge in understanding flop texture and planning a strategy. Not the principal job of Flop Falcon but a powerful number to be able to see. Look at the basic flop types and run a few thousand and you will get an accurate picture on how often those flop types occur.
    Unpaired Rainbow 31%
    Unpaired Suited 46%
    Monotone 5%
    Paired Rainbow 8%
    Paired Suited 9%
    Trip <4%
    = 100% of flops
    5K flops your numbers may vary depending on the run
  • Eon137Eon137 Red Chipper Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
    James, great video. I recently purchased FF and have been playing around with it. Looking forward to more videos on how to use this to explore flops and use FF to study off table. Thanks much!

    E.
  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok... I'm confused...

    on the monotone example, FF tells us that 8% of the time, BOTH players will miss.
    how is that possible?

    Our range is 22-TT.
    Opponent's range is TT-AA. (plus AK, AQ, AJ.... yada, yada, yada)

    If ALL the pocket pairs are included in one or the other range.... then shouldn't at least only player have a set in their range at any given time?

    Shouldn't FF say that 0% of the time, BOTH players will miss?
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    Not sure what example you ate citing but the way FF works is it uses one hand at random from your range vs one hand in your opponents range and picks a random flop and see who hits or misses based on the hit requirements you specify then it repeats as many times as you choose usually a few thousand is enough for the data to be useful. Hope that answers your question if not restate using specifics
  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    tfazio wrote: »
    Not sure what example you ate citing but the way FF works is it uses one hand at random from your range vs one hand in your opponents range and picks a random flop and see who hits or misses based on the hit requirements you specify...

    Sorry - still confused

    Let's say that's correct.... FF takes a random hand from your range and compares it to a random hand from Villain's range....
    and using the (yellow) criteria that you've designated to define what a "hit" is...
    then tells you how often you will hit or miss.

    In this example - SS has indicated only pocket pairs for Hero's range.
    Then, he's selected the criteria to be:
    Trips
    Overpairs
    Underpairs

    Now, I don't care which pocket pair you select at random....
    a pocket pair on any monotone board will be a set, overpair or underpair... right?

    So Hero's range should "hit" the board 100% of the time.... we should NEVER miss, no?

    So it seems like the "both miss" should be 0% not 8%... no?

    what am I missing here?

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  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    Do you see the grey bar within 1.5 pair and 2.5 pair which is an invention of Dougs to expand on the definition of middle pair. The grey bar indicates that those occurred but since they were not included in the definitions of hits are not considered. If you select them and re run you will see that the software displays the information the way you would expect showing 0% both misses.
  • ImperatorImperator Red Chipper Posts: 899 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    tfazio wrote: »
    Do you see the grey bar within 1.5 pair and 2.5 pair which is an invention of Dougs to expand on the definition of middle pair. The grey bar indicates that those occurred but since they were not included in the definitions of hits are not considered. If you select them and re run you will see that the software displays the information the way you would expect showing 0% both misses.

    My gods! The thing is beautiful. I just don't know if I would use it.

    On the other hand it seems like a tool I could get lost playing with for its own sake. Flop Falcon for Flop Falcon's sake.

    Would playing with the tool for its own sake help me to recognize situations when I'm playing poker for the sake of the chips?
  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tfazio wrote: »
    Do you see the grey bar within 1.5 pair and 2.5 pair which is an invention of Dougs to expand on the definition of middle pair.

    I get it now.
    you can have an overpair, underpair, set OR middle pair.

    so 8% of the time, we must have a middle pair.
  • PrinceJellyfishPrinceJellyfish Red Chipper Posts: 21 ✭✭
    Ok, so I just got flopzilla (finally!), and was wondering what kind of advantages flop falcon offers versus flopzilla? I haven't really had much time to play around with flopzilla yet either. I'm pretty much just a rec-player at this point, but a serious one at that, and def take the game seriously and have the drive and motivation to become the best player I can be. Who doesn't love stacking chips and looking around for more racks when it's time to get up from the table, right?
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    If you just got flopzilla it will take some time to get the most out of it. Flop Falcon is IMO different and powerful. There are a some videos that explain functionality of features and i'm sure there will be more coming.
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,876 -
    Imperator wrote: »
    tfazio wrote: »
    Do you see the grey bar within 1.5 pair and 2.5 pair which is an invention of Dougs to expand on the definition of middle pair. The grey bar indicates that those occurred but since they were not included in the definitions of hits are not considered. If you select them and re run you will see that the software displays the information the way you would expect showing 0% both misses.

    My gods! The thing is beautiful. I just don't know if I would use it.

    On the other hand it seems like a tool I could get lost playing with for its own sake. Flop Falcon for Flop Falcon's sake.

    Would playing with the tool for its own sake help me to recognize situations when I'm playing poker for the sake of the chips?

    I like the things you say.

    I think it is like something my tennis coach said when he saw people idly bouncing the ball in the air on the sidelines. Basically any exercises like this build muscle memory and familiarity. This is good.
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  • Adam WheelerAdam Wheeler Red Chipper Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭✭
    When you talk about your tennis coach do you talk about Ed Miller ?









    ;)
  • JackStrawJackStraw Red Chipper Posts: 1
    I just got Flop Falcon and am loving it so far. I've only seldom used off table software (just never got the knack for it), but i've found this to be extremely easy to use. I've been enjoying comparing my opening ranges from certain situations/positions to my perceived calling ranges of my typical opponent types. I play at a local casino so there are very certain and particular player types that I plan on saving ranges for in Flop Falcon and exploring how i'm hitting flops compared to how they are hitting them.

    I'm also enjoying taking one specific holding of my own, say KQs, and seeing how it stacks up to my opponents perceived calling ranges. I'm just starting to dig in, and have a long way to go as i'm completely new to software, but I can see this being extremely beneficial by helping me to read board textures and situations with a greater understanding of what's going on.
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,082 -
    Great job Marshall! Don't get too lost down that rabbit hole though =)
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  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,876 -
    That is what it is for, if you find exercises that are particularly insightful, would love to hear about them.
    Co-founder Red Chip Poker,
    Author Poker Plays You Can Use
    Author Poker Workbook for Math Geeks
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    A great plus is the sharing feature that easily allows you to share on social media RCP ect
  • Steven BSteven B Red Chipper Posts: 1 ✭✭
    Hi folks. I am wanting to use this software, but I'm on a Mac. I know Mac is not supported but has anyone ever tested this with Crossover? Flopzilla works fine here but this one looks better :)

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