Painless Poker

tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
At long last Tommy Angelo's new book Painless Poker has been released. Run don't walk to amazon and get your copy. You won't be able to put it down.

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  • joesizejoesize Red Chipper Posts: 110 ✭✭
    Thanks. I didn't know it was out. Even as I type, Amazon is picking and packing my copy. Ship it, Baby!
  • TiltboxTiltbox Red Chipper Posts: 78 ✭✭
    Got my copy! Thought it might never be finished, now that I see how thick it is I see why it took so long.
  • thepokermonkthepokermonk Red Chipper Posts: 320 ✭✭✭
    3/4 of the way through it and really enjoying it. Very different from Elements of Poker.
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭✭
    I found it a bit of a let down as the first 20% of the book I had to read bad beat stories, and there was very little practical advice that wasn't already covered in Elements of Poker.

    I love Elements and his various video series so I guess my expectations were too high.
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    I heard a him explain on PNPod podcast that the last part of the book is where the central message is. For me I like his writing style and I was looking for an excuse to study the topic in a way that I could relate to my life so it was timely. Not a let down at all.
  • bigburge10bigburge10 Red Chipper Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭
    Just got my copy in the mail yesterday. Looking forward to reading it. I have to admit, it's a bit thicker than I was expecting.
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭✭
    I just had a look back at book and realized that I had tons of highlighted sections so maybe I was a bit too harsh above. I still feel like you could read EOP or PP and get the same info so I guess it is matter of preference. I think I just like the how-to style in EOP better than the story based approach used in PP.

    Any one else trying the 20-20-20 for twenty days? I am on day 2
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    Calling @persuadeo. Interested to know if you've started the book and any thoughts you may have.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It sounds, at the very least, like an interesting conceit, the Painless Poker Clinic, so I will check it out at some point.
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    Yes I don't think you will be disappointed. He has a unique writing style.
  • joesizejoesize Red Chipper Posts: 110 ✭✭
    I’m halfway through and enjoying the book. I’ve played “mum poker” in casinos since reading Elements of Poker, and it’s a good way to play. It’s different in home games, though; there is the social element to be considered, and you’re not going to just sit there like a stone all night. I think that being quiet and low profile does make it easier to exit the game if I bust out. You see it all the time; a guy is the life of the party when he’s winning, then he gets broke, and is suddenly serious and red faced… no longer outgoing, just going out.
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    I have been looking for a down to earth way of being introduced to the ideas Tommy discusses and that he uses in life to stay balanced. This book could not have come at a better time. He discussed two smaller books that he is soon to release for free on a recent podcast (PNPod) that are more specific to his methodology.
  • Ray KRay K Red Chipper Posts: 118 ✭✭
    I find the AV of this book really funny
  • tfaziotfazio Red Chipper Posts: 819 ✭✭✭
    Why does Tommy leave the trash he comes across in the woods while hiking? This is an important detail I think and I just don't get it. Other than the trash just is.
  • Tommy ATommy A Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    tfazio wrote: »
    Why does Tommy leave the trash he comes across in the woods while hiking? This is an important detail I think and I just don't get it. Other than the trash just is.

    That little passage about the trash in the woods was an example of one of the benefits I experience from training myself in non-judgmentalism. The story is about an incident in the woods when I realized that not only did I not judge the litterers, but that I wasn't even going to judge myself as good (by picking up the trash) or bad (by leaving it there).

  • zampana1970zampana1970 Red Chipper Posts: 546 ✭✭✭
    Hey Tommy - another question. As someone maybe with some enlightened leanings - don't know for sure how "buddhist" you might consider yourself - but how do you reconcile one of our goals in poker, which is to play against the worst, loosest, most payoff players we can find? For example, what great poker player wouldn't love to play against the degenerate gambler with no clue of how the game works, who just keeps slapping money on the table and spinning the big wheel? I've heard interviews with people who consider themselves Christian and who are professional poker players and there sometimes is a struggle reconciling the exploitative nature of the game. Is this an issue for you?
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭✭
    @Tommy,

    I have had meditation practice since I read EOP, right around it's release :) My practice has waxed and wained over the years. These days it is 20 minutes first thing in the am. I have been wondering about adding more time to am sit or maybe doing additional evening sit. Any advice on which is better? how to best add time/deepen ones practice?

    thanks
  • Tommy ATommy A Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    Hey Tommy - another question. As someone maybe with some enlightened leanings - don't know for sure how "buddhist" you might consider yourself - but how do you reconcile one of our goals in poker, which is to play against the worst, loosest, most payoff players we can find? For example, what great poker player wouldn't love to play against the degenerate gambler with no clue of how the game works, who just keeps slapping money on the table and spinning the big wheel? I've heard interviews with people who consider themselves Christian and who are professional poker players and there sometimes is a struggle reconciling the exploitative nature of the game. Is this an issue for you?

    Hi zampana,

    Short answer: no.

    For the long answer, I'm going to link you to a blog post I wrote 8 years ago, when I was sorting this stuff out:

    http://www.tommyangelo.com/reconciling-buddhistic-practice-and-poker/


  • Tommy ATommy A Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    kenaces wrote: »
    @Tommy,

    I have had meditation practice since I read EOP, right around it's release :) My practice has waxed and wained over the years. These days it is 20 minutes first thing in the am. I have been wondering about adding more time to am sit or maybe doing additional evening sit. Any advice on which is better? how to best add time/deepen ones practice?

    thanks


    Do both! Do more! More waxing! Less waning!

    I am working on a book right now that is not going to take all that long to finish. It will be ebook only, and free. I am basically writing it for you, meaning, people who already know that meditation is a really good idea, but are having trouble getting it going and keeping it going. The title is: Dailyness: How to Grow Your Own Meditation Practice. If you want to be notified when it's available, sign up for my mailing list at the bottom of any page at my site: tommyangelo.com.
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Tommy A wrote: »
    kenaces wrote: »
    @Tommy,

    I have had meditation practice since I read EOP, right around it's release :) My practice has waxed and wained over the years. These days it is 20 minutes first thing in the am. I have been wondering about adding more time to am sit or maybe doing additional evening sit. Any advice on which is better? how to best add time/deepen ones practice?

    thanks

    I am basically writing it for you.

    that is nice of you :)

    I am on your mailing list so I will be looking forward to it, and some more banjo tunes!

  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tommy A wrote: »
    The title is: Dailyness: How to Grow Your Own Meditation Practice. If you want to be notified when it's available, sign up for my mailing list at the bottom of any page at my site: tommyangelo.com.

    Nice of you to offer that. I plan on signing up.

    Regarding harmlessness at the poker table - I'm not really on board with all that yet. In your blog post you mention "less harm", but that is not quite the same thing as "harmlessness".

    For me, I accept some harm and that's how I deal with it. A couple possibly loosely related ideas, for what they're worth.

    I used to be Christian, but am no longer. I am sensitive though to the hypocrisy of some Christians. A conversation might go something like:
    Christian: "You should not gamble or go to a prostitute." *
    Me: "You are very rich and exploit and oppress your employees."
    Christian: "God said if I have faith, riches will flow to me like a river."
    Me: "You know one of the very few things Jesus really got pissed about? Hypocrisy."
    Christian: "But you would like to be rich yourself!"
    Me: "Yes, but I don't pretend to be a Christian."

    When I was young, I used to fish a lot and kill all the fish, which our family ate. I took a lot of pride in that. Over time I started fishing for wild trout and realized they were a precious resource at risk if we all killed what we caught. For many years I never killed a fish. I've never hunted, and never thought I could bring myself to kill a mammal. But now I've started to come full circle, based on my knowledge of the food industry. I wouldn't kill a wild trout in any place where the population could be damaged. But there are other fish in the sea. And I would at least in principle kill a turkey or deer and eat it. It would be more healthy than the mass produced cows we eat, I'm sure. Now that the earth is so populated, everyone can't do that. But the point is I'm willing to do harm, and I'm OK with that in some contexts and with proper restraint and thoughtfulness.

    I can be kind and fair and a good sport at the poker table, and still do some harm.

    *for the record, I've never gone to a prostitute, but the point is I don't think there's anything immoral about it.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Testing.... ignore.
  • tripletiretripletire Red Chipper Posts: 323 ✭✭✭
    Just gotta add the book is fantastic, few books capture my attention like this one.
  • driller1driller1 Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    So, Tommy, is the last story true?
  • Tommy ATommy A Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    driller1 wrote: »
    So, Tommy, is the last story true?

    No. Not even close. It's a fantasy of what a moment of total letting go of everything might look like. I've never experienced the mindset that would allow for such a drastic action. But it was fun pretending. :-)
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • driller1driller1 Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    Thanks for the reply on the ending. I didn't realize that I had also asked about the ending in another thread and you replied with the Twilight Zone video. Sorta like working up to folding AA preflop, I guess.
  • Ray KRay K Red Chipper Posts: 118 ✭✭
    I havent read it yet but i find the video add hilarious

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