Creating Fear Equity

uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
edited May 2017 in Tournament Poker Hands
This past week, I played in the popular Almighty Stack at Borgata Hotel and Casino.

This event features 100K SS along with 30BB. This tournament attracted 1700+ entries with a $400 buyin.

I had an 'Ah Ha' moment which I would like to share for any thoughts.

Day2, money bubble bursted and a short time later our table broke.

I was sitting on 400K (13BB) with blinds at 15/30K.

I arrive at my new table and settle into my seat. I post my Ante and BB.

I watch each player fold down. I made a decision that if the pot is raised by the CO or later I would go Allin blind.

I gave very little regard to any value hand opening this LP.

Sure enough the BTN opens 2.2x and the SB flats.

With no hesitation I jam Allin. After a bit of "hollywood-ing" the BTN folds and shortly after the SB does too.

I don't normally show my cards but I had good reason to here.

I announce to the BTN player that I didn't look at my cards and turned them over.
8-2 !!!

Very next hand its folded in the SB and I have KJs. I open-shove as my hand is most likely ahead of the BB holdings. BB folds quickly after looking at his cards.

Two hands later, its folded to me in the cutoff and I open jam again with AK. The BB squirmed and agonized over his decision. He reluctantly open folded AT.

As a result of this 3 hand sequence after be seated no more than 5 hands, I created so much fear equity.

The remain time I was at the table, I had it folded to me every time when it late position. I was a recipient of a walk 4-5 times.

This enabled me easily to more than double my stack without a showdown at the table.

Table dynamic and stack sizes allowed me to create such an image.

I was able to play off this image and it served me well.

I'll be seeking out these spots more in the future.

Thoughts...

-Tuna

Comments

  • MonadMonad Red Chipper Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭✭
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭✭
    How would you feel if you had gotten snapped off on the first hand?
  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    edited May 2017
    I would of been okay with it. I planned my hand and I'm not results oriented.

    Do you that play is -eV?

    To survive or win a deep field poker tournament you need to have heart. Not saying that's the case in every tournament, BUT if you want to book a win you need to be prepare to die in order to win.
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭✭
    uglytuna wrote: »
    I would of been okay with it. I planned my hand and I'm not results oriented.

    Do you that play is -eV?

    To survive or win a deep field poker tournament you need to have heart. Not saying that's the case in every tournament, BUT if you want to book a win you need to be prepare to die in order to win.

    This isn't about being results oriented. We do need to look for steal opportunities if we want to make a deep run. However, I'd prefer to have a hand that can perform decently post when called. I don't need to sit down in a tourney and try to make a statement and put my tourney life on the line that way. This action could very well have an adverse effect, which is people start calling you lighter and you get to experience more variance, especially being a short stack.
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭✭
    uglytuna wrote: »
    I would of been okay with it. I planned my hand and I'm not results oriented.

    Do you that play is -eV?

    Yes, it's -EV. A quick look at ICMizer would confirm. You just jammed the second worst hand into a player that we know nothing about. He could be the tightest player at the table who just picked up a hand. Maybe you had a plan, but I think we can create a much better plan than this.
  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    My reasoning for jamming was not to steal chips. Remember I did this without looking. I tried to create a spot which would defer players to steal from me later. Fear Equity!!

    You ran 82 in ICMizer but I could easily had Top 3% of my range as that's what i am repping.

    I don't use ICMizer but I'm curious if you plugged in a random hand card a button open, what outcome would be.

    When a total unknown annouces he went Allin blind and shows his hand, it will deter some future light opens.

  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Ninjah you said "This action could very well have an adverse effect, which is people start calling you lighter and you get to experience more variance, especially being a short stack".

    This play was to create Fear Equity and develop an image that I can profit off of.

    After the shove and show hand to only follow that hand with a open shove bvb, I know exactly where my image stands.

    Which is why I stayed balanced when I picked up AK on the 3rd hand of the 5 hands I was at my table. AT almost called off.

    I was rewarded of several LP folds. Maybe it just worked out that way. At least I had a plan for madness.
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭✭
    uglytuna wrote: »
    Ninjah you said "This action could very well have an adverse effect, which is people start calling you lighter and you get to experience more variance, especially being a short stack".

    This play was to create Fear Equity and develop an image that I can profit off of.

    After the shove and show hand to only follow that hand with a open shove bvb, I know exactly where my image stands.

    Which is why I stayed balanced when I picked up AK on the 3rd hand of the 5 hands I was at my table. AT almost called off.

    I was rewarded of several LP folds. Maybe it just worked out that way. At least I had a plan for madness.

    We can generate this "fear equity" through standard aggression. Maybe it's just me but I prefer to make more sound decisions for my stack then shoving blind. If you would have gotten snapped off on the first hand and laughed off the table, I don't think we would have seen you share this experience but to each their own. I would consider yourself fortunate instead of this being a sound strategy.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    Interesting idea. Did this work because of the first hand or only because of the later hands when you also had hands worth shoving? Absent those hands, you likely fold, correct? And there is no real fear equity...
  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    Let me paint a picture, through my poker career and experience, I find this to be true.

    Lets say you are short and image is solid to the table or you have no image. If you shoved 20BB, you "generally" will get credit for a hand. My success rate is high. I'm talking about in a vacuum here.

    Sure if you shove UTG with a random hand for the first time, it would be an ambitious play that I would pass. You would have to get that hand through rest of the table. So good push-fold strategy is important here.

    I don't want to advocate blind aggression. Tournament is about find spots when the situation warrants it.

    So this tournament, I'm sure and just been moved to a new table. I'm pretty certain the button player is opening light. I'm too short to 3B to any amount, so my 3B is an allin shove.

    I don't think my hand really matters here. I can have two napkins here, its pretty standard for the button to open with a very wide range and I have just enough fold equity to make him fold. Will I look foolish if called, not really. If they snaps me off with AK, I still have 40% equity in the pot with my 82.

    The reason I went all in blind is because I didn't want my hand value sway me out of the execution for the plan.

    I think my later hands worked because of the image I was displaying.

    3B from the BB from LP openers will deter my villains some or most of the time. Just as I will relentlessly raise the BB if they allow me to.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    Fair enough.

    "The reason I went all in blind is because I didn't want my hand value sway me out of the execution for the plan."

    Question: isn't this just about discipline? You commit yourself to shoving regardless of your hand, then you lift the edges of the cards up. And shove regardless.

    When you get the folds and turn them over, doesn't this establish the same image of aggressiveness but without the perception of recklessness?

    Or is the point to try to show that you can play people regardless of your cards? If that's the case, then I get it! :)
  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    I took this line because of a few reasons. I don't think its a matter of discipline. I didn't want to look at my cards because I wanted to follow through on my gut instinct. The play is really not card dependent.

    (1) I have 13BB before putting in my BB. Against a random hand I have 40 equity but probably would be called by better.
    (2) Hero gave zero regard of the button's open, doubtful this V has a legitimate hand. However the V could wake up with the hand and that's a calculate risk I was willing to take. I 3B a lot from the Blinds with lots of success in the mid to late stages of a tournament.
    (3) Gap Concept, with 13BB I have just enough fold equity against this V. Lot hard for the V to call off here if he is light vs a player he has no history with.
    (4) History: The V has no history on me as well I have no history on the V. So generally most players will give the player (Hero) credit here.
    (5) Planting the seed: This play combined by my open shove the very next hand bvb, radiates that I'm a LAG and possible reckless. Generally players exploit that by waiting for them with a hand that lots of equity. However, after those two hand I was able to switch gears because of LAG image I'm portraying. I play off my image a lot and had players spazz out because of it.
    (6) If the big blind is a recipient of multiple walks by the SB, then they have created fear equity for themselves.
  • NYCRyNYCRy Red Chipper Posts: 336 ✭✭✭
    I'm with uglytuna here. I posted a thread the other day about how I've been playing blind here and there for similar reasons. Against a LP open who could very well be on a steal you have good FE with a 3bet and I don't think the cards matter. They get it in their head they better have a hand next time they raise your blind. Yes he could have a hand and snap you off but I think that's a risk you take at that stage in the tourney. Can't always rely on the cards to get you chips
  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    never heard it expressed that way... but love the concept of "fear equity"

    there are times when you play in a game (cash or tourney) and player X seems to spaz out at random moments. being that you're obviously a thinking player, you fold everything but the top of your range. so what happens? Player X gets walks or only raised with big hands. Player X has created a fear factor that has the table playing defense. I've seen it in action. It is effective. Sometimes it's on purpose, other times by accident.

    You definitely see this "fear equity" near the bubble when chip leader at table raises every hand pre and forces the table to fold or shove... knowing that if they shove, he may call and they may lose hand and not cash.

    A real concept. Interesting to apply it once you sit to a new table.
    Nobody wants to f**k with an unknown when they could easily fold and pick a better spot.

    here's an example where Gus Hanson was part of a team that had the top spot on the scoreboard. so the next guy to get knocked out loses the tournament for their team!

  • DabbyDabby Red Chipper Posts: 84 ✭✭
    kagey wrote: »

    I remember this. Every time I watch it I laugh so hard. But honestly, I don't think I'd ever have the guts to do something like this.
  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    Gus Hanson in the video demonstrates Fear Equity. Gus was keenly aware that it took the perfect conditions to exercise this. He had a method to his madness.
  • OutlierOutlier Red Chipper Posts: 158 ✭✭
    @uglytuna I'm not sure you made this play in order to create fear equity. I do agree with you and @RyanA though that this is a plus EV spot. In these shorter, faster tournaments, spots like this often present themselves. I've shipped blind over limpers for an LP raiser multiple times in different tournaments. Have I occasionally had to sheepishly turn over a crap hand? Yes. Even so, I think uglytuna's spot is probably +EV in shallow tourneys like this.
    Even established nits know to open wider on the button. I still think it's way more likely that the button is wide versus the button waking up with a callable hand.

    Fear equity is a good thing to have on your side, of course, but I think it was an accidental result in this case of a short series of hands you played. But good on ya for making that initial shove and going on a good run!

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