How would you play this?

Joshua KJoshua K Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
I was able to witness a hand at a $1-2-3 table with the player to my right showing me his hand. He was put to a difficult decision and I just wanted to see how you might play this hand.

Player: :Ac:Tc on the button (Stack Size $140)
Fold around to Villian (EP+3) raises to $16 (Stack Size $120)

Fold to BU whom calls.

Flop: :Ah:Jd:9s
Pot: $37

Villian leads out with a bet to $20
BU calls.

Turn: :Th
Pot: $77

BU player asks Villian if he would like to check it down to the river. Villian doesn't say anything.
Villian: Jams AI with $84

BU tanks for a minute and folds.

The Villian then asks the BU player if he had an Ace, but does not show. Villain also says that he jammed because he did not want BU player to catch anything on river.

Background: Both players have TAG styles, but BU player will loosen up when short stacked.
Players have a past hand with one another when BU player was short stacked. BU player chased a gut shot straight to river against Villains flopped trip Aces.

I have an idea of range, but I just wanted to hear your thoughts.

Comments

  • bigburge10bigburge10 Red Chipper Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭
    He folded? How soft was this game???

    Here's what I think--he's playing a 2-3 SPR pot, and just flopped top pair. The money is going in with just an A here--not to mention when he turns two pair. I think BTN makes a big mistake by calling the flop bet without the intention of getting all the money in on either the turn or river. Once they see an A hit the flop, they are showing this hand down. Once they call the flop bet, they are showing this hand down. Once they see the T on the turn, they are showing this hand down. There's nothing that I see that would indicate that this person should ever fold this hand--the stack depths are just too short to be making big folds like this.

    At least you found out a few things about this player--barrel them like crazy and be very scared when they call twice.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Folding this is bananas, especially after being asked to check it down. I mean I get that some goofballs will actually do this with KQ, but geez.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Folding this is bananas, especially after being asked to check it down. I mean I get that some goofballs will actually do this with KQ, but geez.

    I think BTN asked villain to check it down after making two pair.

    Villain could have a hand like QhJh here. I don't see folding two pair on the turn at this stack depth. I would likely fold pre vs 5.3x open. Vs LP open say I was in SB 3 bet seems ok cause you could just donk shove any flop being first to act.

    Easy call but not a clear cut winner. Hard to imagine A10 being behind villains overall range. I would think 65 \ 35 equity in hero's favor.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    I think BTN asked villain to check it down after making two pair.

    Oh, my bad. That's a different kind of problem, but still a problem. I think offering to check it down isn't a good idea, unless you have a known history of making this deal a lot with villain, for whatever personal reason.

  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Austin wrote: »
    I think BTN asked villain to check it down after making two pair.

    Oh, my bad. That's a different kind of problem, but still a problem. I think offering to check it down isn't a good idea, unless you have a known history of making this deal a lot with villain, for whatever personal reason.

    I don't like doing this but I do have a couple buddies I run into at the casino often where we always do this. Just poker buddies. Some times it gets weird cause if your not willing to do it with everyone then the casino prohibits it, which is a fair rule to prevent collusion. There is one memorable session where I had monsters against my buddy and got Coolered a bunch against the fish so lost a couple buyins because I would of made my money back with flush over flush and broke even. In general I prefer not playing with buddies at the table cause we go to make money and improve our games.
  • DabbyDabby Red Chipper Posts: 84 ✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Austin wrote: »
    In general I prefer not playing with buddies at the table cause we go to make money and improve our games.

    I love going to the casino with a buddy or 2. However, I agree about sitting at the same table as them. While I may know them a little more, I don't want to play differently just because my buddy is at the table. Because if I do, I'm really not learning/practicing much.

    Regarding the hand itself; If I've made it to this point in the hand (turn), I'm not going anywhere. I don't like the fold here. I also don't like asking him to check it down. However, the fact that the villain shoves after I ask him to check it down is possibly saying something. In the villain's mind, you're either weak or drawing when you ask for the check down. Either way, his shove likely forces you to fold in both scenarios. I like the villain choice to shove there.
  • bigburge10bigburge10 Red Chipper Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭
    Dabby wrote: »
    Austin wrote: »
    In general I prefer not playing with buddies at the table cause we go to make money and improve our games.

    My buddies and I are the exact opposite. We play very hard against each other. Comparing how we play against each other to how we play against the rest of the table, you could say we're soft playing the other players. We basically just want to hold some bragging rights for a few days.
  • In The DarkIn The Dark Red Chipper Posts: 219 ✭✭
    Nitty fold PF. AT is rarely in front and difficult to monetize when it hits.
  • Joshua KJoshua K Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
    Thank you everyone for your comments. I was a little shocked by the play too. I find it hard to fold, if I had chose to go to the turn. Pre-flop, if HERO was to make the decision to play, he had to be thinking that an All-in would be the ultimate outcome.

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