Bad Beat Jackpot Tip - How Much Would You Tip?

kytmagickytmagic Red Chipper Posts: 204 ✭✭
edited August 2015 in Off Topic Chat
Hey guys,

I was playing at the Montreal casino the other day when the table next to me won the bad beat jackpot of 520k, which is one of the biggest bad beat jackpots in the casino's history. The hand consisted of a straight flush beating another straight flush. What was also amazing was that a K-high flush was also all-in before the river.

Before the dealer dealt the last card, the bad beat winner said that if a 9 of hearts was dealt, he would tip the dealer a big fat 60k. Sure enough, a 9 of heart was dealt and the money was shipped even though he had every right to go back on his word.

The winner of the bad beat (the guy with the losing straight flush) won 50% of the jackpot: 260k. 60k is an insanely high tip.

I am curious because if I won the bad beat, I have no idea what the etiquette is. I have heard 1-2% is standard with 3% being generous? If that's true, this guy went overboard when emotions were running hot.

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  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,071 -
    I'll let y'all berate me...but I likely only tip $1k here.
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  • sp1ke36sp1ke36 Red Chipper Posts: 46 ✭✭
    If I won the big end the 50% I would make sure I make up the difference so that the dealer gets at least a table share. I think that is fair.
    I hit big end of a bad beat jackpot more than two years ago for around $34k after taxes. I tipped around $2k.
    But you're not obligated to tip a thing. I would feel like scumbag if I did that and I'm sure it would hurt my reputation to the dealers and players.
  • Ed MillerEd Miller RCP Coach Posts: 330
    Yeah I'd be nitty with a tip on a jackpot also. IMO, tipping is designed to pay service workers the wage they should be paid by their employers except we have this stupid culture of paying them less than minimum wage and requiring tipping.

    I always try to tip commensurate with the work done and less on percentage basis. My tips on small restaurant checks are often 30-50%. On big checks, it's more like 15-20%.

    On a jackpot, I'd tip a roughly flat amount no matter the size of the prize. Honestly, I could see tipping a green chip to every worker in the room including the dealer at the table. If I did that, there's a good chance that dealer would hate me for life, so I'd have to factor that into the equation. But chances are I'd decide that it wasn't worth paying a bunch of money just to have one dealer not hate me. The rest of the room will remember you as that guy who only tipped quarters when you won the jackpot, but mostly they probably won't hate you.

    Bottom line? Workers deserve to be paid a fair wage for their work, but they aren't on top of that entitled to freerolls on every prize that's ever won in the room. Just my opinion, of course. Most of them I know 100% disagree.
  • Ed MillerEd Miller RCP Coach Posts: 330
    I think the equation also changes a bit if you are a pro grinding 30+ hours a week in the room, or if you are more rec player 15 hours or less per week.

    If you are a pro, then IMO there's a bit more obligation to tip out to the staff, and if you're lucky enough to win a jackpot, that's a great opportunity to do it. The cardroom doesn't have to take your interests as a pro into account, but obviously you would like them to do that from time to time... and if you want to have some influence on such things, then it sort of behooves you to pay for it through tipping out.

    Rec players don't have the same obligation because they also don't get the same accommodation from the room.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whatever you tip, it is the moment where your feelings about the cardroom, its staff, and management matter; so I think it's not a judgement on you if you undertip or overtip, but on them. I would tip a lot at my favorite one, where dealers and staff are looking out for me and getting me into the games I want, and much less where I am treated without consideration or even poorly. I would also single out not necessarily the dealer of the hand, as EM said, but staff that may merit some consideration. I would also tend to tip more with a jackpot because I am a low tipper in game, where I am scrounging for an hourly as much as the dealers are.
  • karbynkarbyn Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    The jackpot here is about 20k ... which pays out 20% of the jackpot to the table on a small bad beat (Aces full get beat .. could be 22 vs 33 on a AAAJ7 board), and 80% on a big (Aces full of kings beat). So on a small one the loser of the hand might get $1500 or so... most people tip $50 or so.

    But the other consideration is that all tips are pooled (dropped in the slot on the table) and the floor get none of it. So there is no particular benefit to tipping large. But if I won >5k, I'd tip at the table, then I would find the dealer in the parking lot and give him more directly.
  • SaintsTigersSaintsTigers Red Chipper Posts: 238 ✭✭
    For a big jackpot, I'd tip a few hundred unless it was a dealer who does a really good job. Then I might go to a thousand. Maybe. Casino's have been taking jackpot dollars out of my pots for a long time. And where I play they've made it harder to hit (it used to be aces full of queens had to get beat now it's quad eights). Dealers already make $50k plus a year for what is essentially low skilled, grey collar labor. That's enough, so I'll leave it to the other players to tip the outrageous amounts. In your example that $60k tip seems absurd. If the winner is feeling generous, why not donate a large chunk of the jackpot to charity? There's certainly more social utility in that.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    SplitSuit wrote:
    I'll let y'all berate me...but I likely only tip $1k here.
    It's not my job to pay their salary. If they think that I'm giving them 60k, they are going to be 55k+ disappointed. I wouldn't be opposed to 5k/2% being distributed, but I think I'm a lot closer to 2k. Don't gamble your mortgage on my generosity!

    I'm really trying to imagine getting a quarter of a million dropped in front of me, and giving less than a 1000 to the dealer.
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,071 -
    -ev wrote:
    I'm really trying to imagine getting a quarter of a million dropped in front of me, and giving less than a 1000 to the dealer.

    You've got to have some serious confidence in your decision because if you tip under $1k everyone and their mother is going to have some [awesome] opinion to share with you... lol
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  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,867 -
    SplitSuit wrote:
    -ev wrote:
    I'm really trying to imagine getting a quarter of a million dropped in front of me, and giving less than a 1000 to the dealer.

    You've got to have some serious confidence in your decision because if you tip under $1k everyone and their mother is going to have some [awesome] opinion to share with you... lol

    I am fairly certain, the right thing to do is ask the dealer "Do you have to pay taxes on this if I tip you right now?" If they answer yes, flip them $25 dollars and ask them to meet you at the bar immediately after their shift.

    Everyone at the table knows you are going to take care of the dealer, but the opinions of nine randoms about you tipping too much or too little are completely avoided. Take care of the dealer in private. Dealers seem to be pretty discrete about tip amounts on jackpots and avoids the tax burden on them and the social pressure of nine other players and the rumor mill if you are a regular.
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  • SaintsTigersSaintsTigers Red Chipper Posts: 238 ✭✭
    Another angle I've heard discussed is that a dealer should never get more than a player's share.

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