Whats your opinion on people who hit and run?

undisciplinedundisciplined Red Chipper Posts: 20 ✭✭
Recently i noticed someone repeatedly making an excuse to leave a few minutes after winning a decent pot. He would leave come back an hour later and but in for the table minimum. Question is should i care or just not pay attention?


  • MonadMonad Red Chipper Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    It's annoying, for sure. Can't do much to stop it.
  • CononthepokerCononthepoker Red Chipper Posts: 38 ✭✭
    It's really poor behavior in my opinion but if it's within the house rules then they're not doing anything wrong. I can understand being to leave a game from time to time but leaving and returning multiple times is clearly not a reasonable way to behave.

    My local has a 4hr rule so of you leave and return within 4hrs you have to buy back in with the amount you left with originally. They brought this in after several people had bought in for the min won big pots gone away for a while and then bought back in for the min.
  • bigburge10bigburge10 Red Chipper Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭
    I always hope they trip on their way to the cage--and drop every single chip.
  • BigBadBugBigBadBug Red Chipper Posts: 8 ✭✭
    If it's not specifically addressed otherwise in the house rules, then it's perfectly fine. Yes, it can be annoying/frustrating, but it's legal.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That should be addressed by the local rules, not by an ethics committee. As a practical matter, if the player were so bad that he was just a donator, and he refused to play otherwise, it would be +EV to allow him to play that way. If he was a no-action nit, I wouldn't want him in the game and would set up my rules accordingly.
  • eugeniusjreugeniusjr Red Chipper Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    I did that, more or less, last year. I was profitable, but it limited my ability to win more. It was probably a good thing as it allowed me to build a cushion to play deeper.

    These are not the players I fear at the table.

    They're probably losing more than the winnings they protect with this strategy.
  • undisciplinedundisciplined Red Chipper Posts: 20 ✭✭
    Why should i give someone action if they win a pot they leave?
  • undisciplinedundisciplined Red Chipper Posts: 20 ✭✭
    On a busy night at any card room no floor person has time or any interest to keep up with whos coming and going or how long they have been gone.
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,872 -
    Why should i give someone action if they win a pot they leave?

    The same reason you give anyone action, you expect to profit.

    Each hand is independent. It does not matter if they (or you leave) after.
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  • BigBadBugBigBadBug Red Chipper Posts: 8 ✭✭
    Doug Hull wrote: »
    Why should i give someone action if they win a pot they leave?
    The same reason you give anyone action, you expect to profit.
    Each hand is independent. It does not matter if they (or you leave) after.

    This is correct.

  • Jónas SJónas S Red Chipper Posts: 202 ✭✭✭
    You might as-well forbid people to play for an hour or two if they can't leave when intended just because they won a big pot. People don't owe you anything for winning something from you. Don't play cash-games if you've got problem with people leaving when they want to.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I support the right to leave - that's a cash game in action. But the game takes place over hands, plural. Something happens, then an adjustment and reaction occur: that's poker. One hand is unimportant, however independent it might be. That's why it bugs people when someone hunkers down, takes a spot, leaves and so treats the game like a slot machine. But the hit and runner risked his money, too, and if you can't recognize a hit and run nit, that is also on you in advance. Using information and denying action is part of total strategy. Further, the vast majority of hit and runners are extremely weak players for reasons that should be obvious and for that they should be welcome enough at the table. They get laughed at on a regular basis - I'm thinking of some "special" people in my pool even as I write.
  • CarrieCarrie Red Chipper Posts: 71 ✭✭
    If it's within the rules of the house, don't pay attention. As Jimmy Buffett sings, "breathe in, breathe out, move on." If it's not within the rules, and he's back at your table, bring it to the floor's attention if you like since it sounds like the functional equivalent of removing chips from the table (ratholing).

    Regardless, don't let it affect your game. It's much more his problem than yours. Again, breathe in, breathe out, move on.
  • JonasJonas Red Chipper Posts: 160 ✭✭
    Yeah, there's one I came across and he was what was described: hits big sometimes and leaves, but mostly loses a lot and stays. Seems like he leaves due to anxiety as well.

    I don't mind when they leave. Even if it was my money.. If they're bad, I'll get it back some other night. If they're good, I'll be ready next time.
  • morel huntermorel hunter Red Chipper Posts: 187 ✭✭
    I'm pretty sure at MD Live you are allowed to immediately leave a table of the same stakes and go to another without a waiting period and you don't have to carry the same stack (a.k.a.="going south"). @Travis Please confirm if you will.?

    So at this particular establishment it would bother me that a person table hops every 15 minutes without a waiting period/ penalty. You are basically allowing them to "go South". That's not supposed to be kosher in the poker realm.

    I hear people complain about BBJ taking money from the poker rooms. Is this not the same concept? You are allowing someone to take money from the table and go spend it at another table.

    Is there a time frame that makes it uncool to hit and run? Say 1/2 hour or less?

    Just a thought. IDK either way. I'm the youngest of 4. I've taken a lot of crap in my youth. This is the least of my concerns.

    "Don't sweat the small stuff".
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭✭
    Nobody seems to be upset at the player who doesn't re-buy when their aces get cracked all-in preflop, but get's mad when they get up and leave when they double up. Nothing is set. I only care if that means no one fills that spot at my table. At a home game, it's different. Casino, who cares. New people will come.
  • undisciplinedundisciplined Red Chipper Posts: 20 ✭✭
    Do you think someones view is different from a pro vs a twice a month recreational player as i am? I guess my problem is i have less of an opportunity at that players stack if he is constantly leavin after a big pot.
    Thanks everyone for the imput. Much appreciated.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    I'm no fan of hit-and-runner; I think it's bad etiquette. But it is what is it. And I'm more annoyed by bad player paying NITs with obvious nuts - they should play with and pay me ! :)

    Also, it's not worst than when you're in a long queue for (what is seems) hours waiting in a grocery shop (or cinema, or else), to see that when you finally put your stuff on the counter (with still few ppl ahead of you), another check-out opening... and people just arriving here being able to be served before you? Damn, they didn't even wait 20mn ! :D
  • MattPMattP Red Chipper Posts: 100 ✭✭
    Seems fine to me at a casino. Not ideal, and not what I'd do, but as someone else pointed out, nobody thinks twice if someone gets stacked and vanishes within minutes.

    At a home game, extremely bad form... Years ago when I hosted a game, you're expected to stick around for the night unless you run super bad and go broke.
  • TravisTravis Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
    At MD Live you can only transfer up to the max buyin. Unless the table breaks then you can take your whole stack. In either case you are under no obligation to bring more than the minimum buyin

    A place i play in Florida, only lets you change tables if you have less the max buyin, and you must take your whole stack

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