GTO Opening Ranges in Cichy's Advanced Concepts in NLH

Jason LawrenceJason Lawrence Red Chipper Posts: 16 ✭✭
At the outset, I recognize that I'm not remotely close to as bright as Cichy or Pokersnowie, but his GTO optimal open-raise ranges for the button and CO strike me as off. Are we ever folding 2-2 OTB and letting the blinds play/chop in a live game? Are we really not opening 6-6 and worse PPs in in the cutoff to setmine?

Is it really right that we open against multiple limpers - even in late position with 99+ and AQ+ only?

I think that I may still be too rooted in exploitative thinking and am having trouble shifting to a GTO view of the world. I think the key variable that's impacting my judgment is that in the live games I play, I almost never get 3-bet (don't need two hands to count the # of times in a session) and limpers are usually 50/50 to limp-call. Are those the two primary variables we look to determine how to vary our opening ranges from GTO?

I've gotten to the point where I understand that range vs range thinking is really important, and I'm implementing it on a rudimentary basis at the tables. I understand that I need to get to the point where I can construct balanced ranges on the fly and deconstruct their range into balanced ranges on the fly, but I'm not there. I want to get there though. So two questions:

1. Should I stick to something like the GTO open ranges Snowie gives us (as published in Cichy's book) as I learn this skill, so I have a consistent baseline range to practice from?

2. Am I giving up too much value if I stick to these ranges against villains that don't 3-bit and limp-call too frequently? Or is GTO still a better option?

Sorry for so many disjointed questions. In reading Cichy's book, I feel like its seemingly conservative preflop play generally runs counter to the more aggressive approach advocated here and elsewhere. But yet Cichy advocates for very aggressive play post-flop by using uncapped ranges and big bets, even overbets, to punish capped ranges. That seems consistent with the more advanced videos I've watched here.

So my last question - I think what I may be getting wrong is that the strategy of punishing capped ranges on late streets may fall apart if our preflop range is too wide, because to remain balanced, we're going to have too many bluffs or weak hands in our betting ranges. And if that's the case, then, to come full circle to my first question, should I really be thinking about folding, instead of opening weak PPs as a tradeoff between setmining and having balanced ranges on later streets that can support aggressive play, rather than wanting to preserve the showdown value of too many weak-ish holdings?

I greatly appreciate anything anyone has to say here, as I try to find my way to understanding ranges, hand reading, and putting it into practice.


  • Chris FChris F Red Chipper Posts: 155 ✭✭
    Cichy says these ranges are just a start. If you sot down at a table full of tough opponents or a table of unknowns, using these ranges will help keep your chips safe until you figure out how to exploit the players at the table.
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭
    FYI the CO range on P55 is a typo. The chart shows something like a ~15% range but the caption that says 23% is about what Snowie does.

    Reread P61-62 on iso-raising limpers as the author answers what you are asking.

    You didn't give game/stakes you are playing. I am going to guess you are playing live poker. In that context I think you will do fine using the preflop advice in the book as the most common leak in live poker is playing too many hands preflop.

  • Adam WheelerAdam Wheeler Red Chipper Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭✭
    How did you fInd the book @kenaces ?

    I have Cichy's book and Fitzgerald's book and I don't know which I'll read.
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    How did you fInd the book @kenaces ?

    I have Cichy's book and Fitzgerald's book and I don't know which I'll read.

    Cinhy was better book for me:
    - about live cash not MTT
    - author sometimes plays 10/25NLH at my home casino so I was curious
    - I use Snowie so I was also curious about the book, and I have been slowly putting some of the HH examples into snowie and PIO for something to study
    - I found the Fitzgerald book too much fluff/filler and didn't get much out of it, and I much prefer both the content and brevity of the Cinchy book
  • Adam WheelerAdam Wheeler Red Chipper Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭✭

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