The board pairs on the river giving me nut flush...

sp1ke36sp1ke36 Red Chipper Posts: 46 ✭✭
edited April 2015 in Live Poker Hands
1/2 nlhe game at a casino. buy-in 300max/50min

Villain is a young kid who has been showing down some crazy hands winning with two pair (K5o etc).

utg(hero w/$300 behind): :Ac:Qc bets $12
utg+2(villain w/$300 behind): calls
btn($300 behind): calls

flop: :Qh:7c:2h ($37)

utg: bets $30
utg+2: raises $60
btn: folds
utg: calls

turn: :Tc ($157)

utg: checks
utg+2: bets $65
utg: calls

river: :2c ($287)
utg($150 left): ????

Comments

  • Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 669 ✭✭✭
    You mention he played and won with hands like :K? :5? off. Did you see how he played those hands? Was he raising those hands? Did you see him min-raise with strong hands previously? I think these are important observations.

    As played, and without knowledge of above, I shove here.

    That being said I would have shoved the flop once the :Tc hit. Or I would have check shoved.
  • ivandurstivandurst Red Chipper Posts: 124 ✭✭
    Thanks for posting, kind of an interesting hand with a twist.

    I think I lead this turn/get it in, as the majority of his range is Qx and FDs - that min-raise is not always nutted. You don't want to let him check back and actualize equity, or pot control a weaker made hand. Just curious, what was your plan on brick rivers - do you think you have a bluff-catcher, or is he betting 3 streets with :Q? ?X? ? Are you ever folding - what about on a heart river? If he wants to get all the money in by the river, we're obliging, so he's kind of freerolling when we check.

    As played on turn, he let you play your hand as a drawing hand, giving you nearly 3.5 to 1 on the turn. His bet-sizing is also setting up an easy 1/2 pot river bet for him, so if he thinks ahead, that can be a scary thing. (My guess is mr. K5o does not, in fact, think ahead.) I don't think he's double barreling FDs very often here because of his small bet-sizing (very unlikely to induce a fold), so his range is weighted towards :Q? ?X? and 2 pair+. You could just shove over top here, with likely the best hand and some equity when behind. I personally am kind of lost in the hand after checking this turn, because we're now treading cautiously but can't really find a fold.

    In the actual hand, you hit gin on the river with an SPR of .5, never do anything besides shove here, as he's likely checking back all :Q? ?X? that he might call with, and you're never folding when he shoves his sevens full or whatever. If he has Q2 or 72 here, slowclap and push him your chips.

    Would love to hear Christian's default line here...
  • Christian SotoChristian Soto RCP Coach Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭
    ivandurst wrote:
    Thanks for posting, kind of an interesting hand with a twist...

    Would love to hear Christian's default line here...

    Haha! Alright...

    So obviously when Villain raises Flop we are all kinds of excited (at least I am) LOL. We are crushing this guy's range and he is repping a set which are rare.

    Now if we 3bet Flop, we have very few bluffs in our range that take that line. So it doesn't make too much sense to do so in my opinion unless this guy is a complete banana. I may do this on some different board textures where we can rep some bluffs, but on those boards I would have likely CR'd with this hand sometimes but when I do barrel it's with intention on Bet/3betting. I.E. :Qh:Th:7s

    So now that we deduce that 3betting Flop is not always good because we rep too strong side weighted. We call. Now the :Tc falls and our opponent barrels for roughly 1/3rd bet. Again, I'm very excited. But now things change a bit for a few reasons:

    1) We can credibly rep a bluff if we shove. Because now two flush draws are on board and all Broadway combos have at least a gut shot, which we would have continued with facing a min-raise, especially the one with BackDoor Clubs.

    2) We are unsure if Villain unleashes the clip with his complete air. Therefore, if we just call again "bluff-catching", we are free-rolling him on his bluffs at least some percentage of the time. For example, Hearts or some random KJ etc.

    So I pretty happily shove here.
  • ivandurstivandurst Red Chipper Posts: 124 ✭✭
    ivandurst wrote:
    Thanks for posting, kind of an interesting hand with a twist...

    Would love to hear Christian's default line here...

    Haha! Alright...

    Thanks dude! Helpful as always :)
  • Christian SotoChristian Soto RCP Coach Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks man! I try.
    6AM on East Coast when I'm writing this LOL.
  • sp1ke36sp1ke36 Red Chipper Posts: 46 ✭✭
    Basically I wasn't sure if I should call the river or shove. The villain even said "why did you only call."

    He had QTo and didn't see the flush.

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