Flopzilla vs. Flop Falcon?
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Hey everyone! I'm sure that this has likely been addressed already but I was wondering if someone could please explain the purchase-worthy differences between Flopzilla and FF.
I will need to partition my Mac to be able to do so, not sure if that makes a difference in choosing software?
Would appreciate some insight on this :)
I will need to partition my Mac to be able to do so, not sure if that makes a difference in choosing software?
Would appreciate some insight on this :)
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So, basically I'm going to cancel the PE subscription as it's not worth it with everything else I have there and I'm contemplating an annual Snowie sub. DriveHUD and PT4 have some nice tools inside of them, as well.
it does everything I need it to do... so i haven't explored other software alternative.
I know there's a lot of FR and Live players here and I think you should really look into the trial for PE. You can do a *lot* that you can't do with FZ once we're talking about 3+ people in the hand. Both pre and post.
I can't do this kind of range construction with FZ without doing far more work for range v range. When it becomes Range vs multiple ranges - I can't do it at all.
I mean, you can clearly see where FZ is trying to play catchup with PE, and not the other way around.
How this all compares to the OP? Between FZ and PE out there, Flop Falcon is entirely redundant. I promote RCP heavily but I also call it like it is. Then when comparing FF to FZ? I felt the need to again highlight PE, especially considering that as I'm digging into the game deeper and deeper - and even though I've clearly done everything to just focus on FZ, I can't afford not to use PE as it's RIO is simply greater than the other product (FZ). That's what James said about this site vs a few others when I first showed up here and asked about subbing here. He said to try this site and the others and see which gives the better RIO. Well, it's the same thing here and PE is definitely the product that is going to (and has) put more money into my pocket thus far.
Of course, using any of the three programs is +EV.
If you really want to talk about absolutely no limitations to analysis whatsoever - without delving into GTO at all - then run FZ next to PE and the sky's the limit.
Extensive mathematical calculations that I would have to say do border on GTO, IMO. Better, more knowledgeable players can make their own interpretation and correct me if I'm wrong.
Makes it easy to find profitable 3betting ranges from different positions. Intertwining all of this with board coverage (as we mentioned last week), and a HUD with heat maps, is extremely fun and advantageous.
Then I crop the ranges by selecting from what I've selected as their typical continuing range on a 3sJhQd board. Basically, this is how my 3b range above fairs against hands that do continue against it:
It changes things but allows me to further tweak and define, seeing what boards favor what ranges vs what ranges, and which hands/combos in those ranges hold the most equity from flop to turn, turn to river, and flop to river.
Multiple flop equities with multiple ranges, including weighting. Can go all the way up to all 1755 strategically distinct flops, or at several integers below that. Again, virtually no limitation to what you can do with up to 10 ranges involved in the hand, although an added bonus is that you do get to tell the program what size table you're playing and things will adjust accordingly where need be.
did you order something from him?
@persuadeo "Tfazio better up his game.", always with the comedy.
Well, in all fairness - By this same standard I've been an RCP salesman at times, too.
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2725606#post2725606
There's a dozen different places to contact them but this is by far the best.
Scylla's support is fantastic, as a few of you have pointed out. Perhaps as good as could be. PS's support of Power Equilab is really right behind it. They definitely do a good job of keeping up with the product and they update it/add to it often.
v1.10.21.0
@kevinhaggy using holdeq ad on that comes with flopzilla you can run two instances and examine range vs range scenarios.
FlopFalcon is an in depth flop analysis tool with great potential for flop exploration. These tools are relatively inexpensive and useful in their own way.
You can perfectly do Range vs. Range with Flopzilla.
Yes, but Flopzilla's limitations come into play when you're trying to compare 3+ ranges to each other in depth. This is where Power Equilab takes the ball and runs with it. Without rehashing everything said on the subject at risk of being labeled a salesman: There are quite a few things that PE does which no other analysis tool of it's kind does.
The thing that's nice about FZ is that it fits with the FZ+GTO+CREV suite of tools and as far as GTO and features along the lines of PIOSolver, PE has made it clear that they have no current plans of going down that road. They're more interested in further expanding upon the equity/range analysis of PE.
Really? That's strange. I've had a crash or two but nothing more than Flopzilla has. All in all it's run extremely smoothly.
I don't even have an active sub right now. I'm just using Scylla's suite of tools and HoldEq, seeing if I'll pick the PE sub back up or go with something like Snowie. Player XRay is out for DriveHUD now, too and it costs $15/mo.
In fairness to PE - I'm not paying any recurring subs right now. Everything I'm using I own and I'm not signed up for a training site for this month yet. I'm spending more time playing, analyzing, reading, and discussing.