What to do on this river?

Yanming ZYanming Z Red Chipper Posts: 89 ✭✭
V is a middle aged Asian, been drinking and chatting constantly with people around him. Hero is new to the table.

1/2 game, $300 eff

V straddled on the button, hero raised from UTG with :Tc :Td to $10, then remarked "shoot I didn't notice the straddle!" Folds to V who 3 bets to $40, folds to hero and calls. Heads up to the flop. Pot $80. Note the V is chatting and laughing with the guy next to him throughout this entire hand, seemingly paying little attention to the hand, made bets and calls fairly quickly.

Flop is :Ks :Qc :8c , check, V bets $15, call. Pot: $110

Turn: :4c , check, V bets $20, hero raises to $120, V calls. Pot: $350

River: :Td

With only $125 behind, what's the move?

Comments

  • keith ckeith c Red Chipper Posts: 91 ✭✭
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 669 ✭✭✭
    why XR turn?

    as played jam river
  • CruelPaiMeiCruelPaiMei Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    Ship it... he can't resist calling even with one pair here.

    But if for some reason you're beat, just call for the floor and ask for the misdeal.
  • morel huntermorel hunter Red Chipper Posts: 152 ✭✭
    Check/ call the river with the call being questionable. I say this because no one else has mentioned the following, yet:

    His small c-bet of $15 into an $80 pot on the flop is suspicious. Is it a blocker bet in order to see the turn card with a flush draw or a small pocket pair? Is it to string you along with a set of K's or Q's? Possible.

    His "chatting and laughing with the guy next to him throughout this entire hand" is a probable tell that he wants you to think that he is not interested in the hand but really, he has a monster hand. His "made bets and calls fairly quickly" can be a sign that he has a drawing hand.

    He called your re-raise on the turn. What hand range does he have? Quit possibly everything that beats you at the moment.

    Somewhere in this hand you have to ask yourself what is his PF 4-bet range? I say 4-bet because there was a straddle.

    I think that you made a mistake with the C/R on the turn. You leveraged your stack on a PF bettors board. You have 3rd pair with a not so great draw to the 4th nut flush. What card can come on the river that will bail you out if and when V calls?

    Your hand improves on the river but as to how much verses this board and previous action?

    I am not as studied as most of the posters on this site but I recommend a check on the river.



  • SliverOverlordSliverOverlord Red Chipper Posts: 242 ✭✭✭
    edited November 7
    By his sizing and quick actions I would think he’s very confident with his hand. To me, his range would look something like AAcx or KKcx or AKcc
    , whatever he has, he wasn’t scared of the flush on the flop or turn. This would just be my place to start ranging him, I’m sure it could be much wider.

    This is going off my reads of 3 bets tending to be on the top end, and middle aged friendly guys preferring to call and go postflop rather than 3betting light. This read could be off, but once you see a showdown adjust the ranges you can put him on.

    Once you take that into consideration, we beat 3 combos and lose to 3 combos, and after being pretty confident about his hand IMO he’s not folding. ship it in and pray.

    @morel hunter I would see his fast actions and disinterest in the hand to be more straightforward, he has a hand that he doesn’t need to think about. Until I’m given reason to think otherwise, I don’t credit people with being able to level someone with tells.
  • tagliustaglius Red Chipper Posts: 280 ✭✭
    You're beating Aces (prob with Ac) and AcKx. 6 combos. You're losing to KK and QQ 6 combos. That's a pretty tight but common 3bet range of QQ+/AK. If you think he kept going on turn without the Ac, then we're beating AA (6) and AK (12), and we have to go with it. If you think he has to have the Ac, then we're at 50%, but we only have to win a smaller percentage of that to ship, so we ship.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭✭
    taglius wrote: »
    You're beating Aces (prob with Ac) and AcKx. 6 combos. You're losing to KK and QQ 6 combos. That's a pretty tight but common 3bet range of QQ+/AK. If you think he kept going on turn without the Ac, then we're beating AA (6) and AK (12), and we have to go with it. If you think he has to have the Ac, then we're at 50%, but we only have to win a smaller percentage of that to ship, so we ship.

    My exact thoughts as well.

    I would also note you have more flushes in your range so you can technically turn your hand into a bluff. Usually they are not folding AA here so it becomes value.

    3 bet pot they hold AA so they put you on qq or kk hence the smaller sizing postflop trying to see a cheap showdown.

    Go all in and "accidently" flip over the Tc. Now his decision is real interesting even with qq kk.
  • keith ckeith c Red Chipper Posts: 91 ✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    ....
    Go all in and "accidently" flip over the Tc. Now his decision is real interesting even with qq kk.

    Angle shooter. :D
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭✭
    keith c wrote: »
    Austin wrote: »
    ....
    Go all in and "accidently" flip over the Tc. Now his decision is real interesting even with qq kk.

    Angle shooter. :D

    Just makes the hand interesting. Not sure what angle I am shooting with this because we want to be called most of the time. Just makes it more fun putting him in a tougher spot than he already is.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 800 ✭✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    keith c wrote: »
    Austin wrote: »
    ....
    Go all in and "accidently" flip over the Tc. Now his decision is real interesting even with qq kk.

    Angle shooter. :D

    Just makes the hand interesting. Not sure what angle I am shooting with this because we want to be called most of the time. Just makes it more fun putting him in a tougher spot than he already is.

    If it's flipped AFTER you throw your all-in, it's ok. But still could give too many info for Villain to play perfectly - which we don't want :)

    Still have to pay attention to house rules: some casino burn all hands with a card faced up. Would be sad to lose the hand like that
  • DubiousBetDubiousBet Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    1) Don't proclaim your mistakes. "Shoot I didn't see it was straddled" gives your villain information he doesn't need to have.

    2) I really don't like the c/r on the turn. What are you trying to do here? You've turned your hand into a bluff, but the trouble is that you have a bluff-catcher hand. His flop bet of 10 into 80 is really fishy. I'd much prefer a c/r on the flop to like 60. If he calls that, then give up on the hand. The c/r on the turn is just bad bad bad in my opinion.

    With the small bets from villain, I think check/call turn is a much better play. It keeps his range wide and gives him the chance to continue bluffing on the river. Your hand has showdown value in a smallish/medium pot, so keep the pot as small as possible and get to showdown as cheaply as possible. In this scenario, the pot on the river is $150 and you still have plenty behind. I'd still check/call rivers when we hit unless he ships the river.

    3) As played, check/call the river. When you ship the river, he's always calling with better hands, he's calling some hands that we beat (e.g. KQ) but he's folding all of his missed draws. If he was on a straight draw that missed, he can't call, but he might think he can bluff-shove the river, so we need to give him the chance to bluff. Even though we improved on the river, I think villain has flushes a fair amount of the time and your c/r on the turn just punted your stack to him.