Opening up my LP raises/steals

OMG HOMG H Red Chipper Posts: 24 ✭✭
edited November 14 in Live Poker Hands
1/2NL
pretty passive table, most times it has been limping around, 7-10 players in the Pot.
This time It folds to me on the Button, I raise to $10 with :AH: :7H:
(I'm thinking A7 suited is good for a raise here?)
SB calls, and BB calls, Pot $30
Flop :QC: :5C: :7C:
Check, Check, I check also
(I check figuring either one of them would call a bet if they have the FD, I don't want to bloat the pot, See what card comes on the turn)
Turn :7D:
(Trips..I'm thinking this is a great card for me because it should certainly be better than whatever the SB, or BB would call PF with)
SB bets $35, BB folds. I call $35 Pot $100
Turn :2d:
SB bets $50 , I call SB turns over :KC: :TC:
My question is, Is this just Poker? Standard stuff?
Thanks in advance. I'm trying to post at least Two hands from each trip to the Casino.
This hand just pissed me off.

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  • WardoYTWardoYT Red Chipper Posts: 191 ✭✭
    OMG H wrote: »
    1/2NL
    pretty passive table, most times it has been limping around, 7-10 players in the Pot.
    This time It folds to me on the Button, I raise to $10 with :AH: :7H:
    (I'm thinking A7 suited is good for a raise here?)
    SB calls, and BB calls, Pot $30
    Flop :QC: :5C: :7C:
    Check, Check, I check also
    (I check figuring either one of them would call a bet if they have the FD, I don't want to bloat the pot, See what card comes on the turn)
    Turn :7D:
    (Trips..I'm thinking this is a great card for me because it should certainly be better than whatever the SB, or BB would call PF with)
    SB bets $35, BB folds. I call $35 Pot $100
    Turn :2d:
    SB bets $50 , I call SB turns over :KC: :TC:
    My question is, Is this just Poker? Standard stuff?
    Thanks in advance. I'm trying to post at least Two hands from each trip to the Casino.
    This hand just pissed me off.

    Standard poker... Sometimes it happens that way.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭✭
    What were the effective stacks? On the river I like the fact you just called, but raising did cross my mind vs the half pot river bet. Once I read over the hand again I seen he made a small over bet on the turn, which leads one to believe he may be trying to make up for missed value. Depending on effective stacks, I may make a min raise on the river for thin value. I do think trips is still ahead of his overall range: QJ, KQ, Missed FD, 1 combo each of 87s and 76s, then you lose to flushes, and sets (boats) basically only 55. You can get a min raise on the river and still get called by Qx a lot of the time.

    reason I mention stack sizes is because on the river if villain only has like $150 and he bets $50, you min raise to $100 and he 3 bets all in for another $50 it is costing you $50 to win $350 which is a sickening price. But if he has say $300 on the river and he bets $50 (half pot) and you raise to $100 and he jams for $300 you can fold for the extra $200.
  • Octavian IOctavian I Red Chipper Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November 14
    OMG H wrote: »
    1/2NL ..pretty passive table, most times it has been limping around, 7-10 players in the Pot.
    This time It folds to me on the Button, I raise to $10 with :AH: :7H:
    (I'm thinking A7 suited is good for a raise here?)..

    A7s is good for a raise as the first one in UTG and also in any other position if there are limpers to you. Another words, if no body has raised, you raise A7s. I raise in my Vegas 1/2 NL $300 stacks for $15 when UTG and way more them $15 if I have limpers in front.

    On the hand: Nothing you can do if the donkey slow played his flopped flush. I would probably have lost more because I would have c-bet and bet also on the turn but if get called on two streets I would have got his "second action" indicator and not pay him off on the river.

    The ideal VP$IP = 18%
    and the PFR = 18% if no one raised before you
    about 22% including the blinds
    From EP-HJ interval, I have VP$IP = 15% and PFR = 15%

    I never lost a session for years. Honestly. Couple years ago I run into set:set and I lost a buy in that day and took a break immediately until the next day. That's about it for me losing in 1/2 and 2/5 NL Vegas where I play every day.

  • Octavian IOctavian I Red Chipper Posts: 39 ✭✭
    I never limp and never call a 2! The 2! obviously is coming from upfront. So, I never call it unless I 3! it or fold. Why call a 2! and have villain c-betting into me OTF?
  • bigburge10bigburge10 Red Chipper Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 14
    Octavian I wrote: »
    I never lost a session for years. Honestly. Couple years ago I run into set:set and I lost a buy in that day and took a break immediately until the next day. That's about it for me losing in 1/2 and 2/5 NL Vegas where I play every day.
    I'm trying to figure out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I must admit I'm a bit jealous that the last time you ran set into set was a couple years ago AND it only cost you 1 buy in. Maybe you can pass some run good to me?
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 669 ✭✭✭
    edited November 14
    standard = you played the hand fine
  • dnoyeBdnoyeB Red Chipper Posts: 48 ✭✭
    If you hadn't raised preflop you would have been lost on pinning down the blinds on any sort of range. The check-donk move is pretty standard for someone that flopped the flush (or any strong hand) in early position and expects the preflop raiser to continue but PF raiser checks back. So generally on the turn donk bet I fold. Especially when it is over pot size.

    Anyway, what was your plan in playing :Ah :7h ? Of course its going to miss most of the time. Do you want to check when you miss and bet when you hit? (maybe in $1$2 you do) Still I think a continuation bet would have told you immediately that you were beat. Or at least bought you the river card. Kinda of what @Octavian said.
  • Octavian IOctavian I Red Chipper Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November 14
    bigburge10 wrote: »
    I'm trying to figure out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I must admit I'm a bit jealous that the last time you ran set into set was a couple years ago AND it only cost you 1 buy in. Maybe you can pass some run good to me?

    Well, I can't figure out if you make fun of what I said but I can't help you. I'm not saying I don't lose hands. Of course I lose hands and have to fold on some streets. I may be losing for one hour or two but I'm always back in positive by the end of my 5-6 hour session. Usually I manage to be up one buy in per day. On average of course. I'm not claiming perfection. I know why I'm winning, because I'm playing against very bad players. All those tourists that come to Vegas are very bad players. They all manage to dump to me about one buy in per day. That's why I'm winning for years.

    Anyway, :AH: :7H: or :AS: :5S: are good hands to 2bet against limpers but don't call another villain's 2bet with. You should play tighter against raises, and raise a lot with your entire playable range if no one raised in front of you. They all limp, you raise or fold.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Octavian I Am curious as to what your favorite locales are for low stakes in Vegas.
  • bigburge10bigburge10 Red Chipper Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭✭
    Octavian I wrote: »
    Well, I can't figure out if you make fun of what I said but I can't help you.
    Definitely not making fun. Can't I just be jealous?:)

  • Octavian IOctavian I Red Chipper Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November 14
    Octavian I wrote: »
    The ideal VP$IP = 18%
    and the PFR = 18% if no one raised before you
    about 22% including the blinds
    From EP-HJ interval, I have VP$IP = 15% and PFR = 15%
    bigburge10 wrote: »
    Octavian I wrote: »
    Well, I can't figure out if you make fun of what I said but I can't help you.
    Definitely not making fun. Can't I just be jealous?:)

    yes, OK .., What can I say?
    Just read Ed Miller's "The Course" and you will understand how to beat the games you play in. But a piece of advice, do not just read the book. Study it really hard until will click the switch and you will be set for life. Study real hard. Read the book couple times and more many times over and over. Understand it to the core. Watch Ed Miller's videos on this site about "The Course"
    Read the book again and watch the videos until your games is changed and have a new mentality. I'm very serious. Honestly. That's not BS. That's a friendly advice and I think is the best advice I can give you.

    Good Luck and good Flops ... !
  • Octavian IOctavian I Red Chipper Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November 14
    persuadeo wrote: »
    @Octavian I Am curious as to what your favorite locales are for low stakes in Vegas.

    Well,
    Venetian 1/2-$300, Caesar's 1/2-$300, Aria 1/3 - $300, Bellagio 1/2-$300
    Venetian 2/5-$1000, Caesar's 2/5-$1000, Aria 2/5-$1000, Bellagio 2/5-$500

    All are full of fish and pretenders. If you read and study Ed Miller's "The Course" you will beat all of them. Just 4 skills are required from Ed's book to destroy those games.
    Skill 1 - Play tight never limp. Raise 1st in, Raise all limpers, Else fold.
    Skill 2 - Don't Pay People Off
    Skill 3 - Evaluate your hand and Value Betting per Streets of Value
    Skill 4 - Barreling, You check? - I bet.
  • SullySully Red Chipper Posts: 574 ✭✭✭
    edited November 15
    @Octavian I

    I am a bullshitter myself.

    So occasionally I like to listen to professionals............ please carry on

  • Octavian IOctavian I Red Chipper Posts: 39 ✭✭
    Sully wrote: »

    I am a bullshitter myself.

    So occasionally I like to listen to professionals............ please carry on

    Sure Sully, .., why not?
    Yes, I can see. If you call me a bullshitter why don't yous tell me how to be a better one?
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 717 ✭✭✭
    You don't have losing session? Losing seasons maybe? At the best, I think people who have around a 65-70% session win rate are crushing the game, people on this site have claimed 80% but I find that hard to believe....

    @Octavian I I do agree with you that I really rarely like to calling opens, my opening call range is much tighter than my opening range, and consists of pretty specific hands. That being said, I know the reason for that is because I try to avoid putting myself into tough spots, but the fact is that me avoiding addressing that part of my game is more like me pushing the mess under my bed, rather than sorting through it.
  • Octavian IOctavian I Red Chipper Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November 17
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    @Octavian I I do agree with you that I really rarely like to calling opens, my opening call range is much tighter than my opening range, and consists of pretty specific hands. That being said, I know the reason for that is because I try to avoid putting myself into tough spots, but the fact is that me avoiding addressing that part of my game is more like me pushing the mess under my bed, rather than sorting through it.

    You have to be much more aggressive. I suspect you are not enough.
    Here is some of my last month stats for about 170 hours Vegas 2/5 games, every day. Using "Poker Analytics" for iPhone

    VP$IP = 18%
    PFR = 15%

    https://imagebin.ca/v/3hRrsyhYAULy

    Now, Didn’t you noticed that in your basic everyday games in most card rooms each table has a player or two who seems to be constantly raising when they enter a pot? Do they do this because they’ve discovered it’s the way to win? Or do they know something most of average players don’t fully understand?

    Well, they have discovered the way to win. Whether they do it simply because they happened to hit upon it, or because they know something, I don’t know. But the fact is, raising is the way to win. There are many players who have just hit upon it, without understanding the underlying theory. And then, there are some of us who understand the theory. But the fact is, raising is the way to win. Those players who don’t raise a lot will not win. In almost all games raising is an extremely important weapon that must be used much more often than the typical player realizes.

    Even in the smaller games. Raising, and that doesn’t mean that you play a lot of hands, that simply means that those hands you have chosen to play, you should frequently raise with. But the fact is, when you raise, you can knock people out, you can get them to check to you on the next card, and you simply get more money in the pot when you have the best hand. Calling is not something you do frequently, calling should be your last alternative. There are times when calling may be the right thing to do, but never miss an opportunity to at least consider raising. Always consider raising. These people who raise and then they win – that’s why they win, because they raise.