QhQc utg multiway - flop Ad2d6d

Guilherme SGuilherme S Red Chipper Posts: 6 ✭✭
This was a hand played two days ago live in a 30 euros turbo MTT during middle stage

8 hands before I triple up to 33bb almost after some new players came into the table.
There was around 29 players left, with an average stack of 11bbs, just the ft pays.

So, i open 2x with QhQc utg+1 , CO calls, BB calls.

The CO is one of the new players at the table, but he is a guy that knows everyone in the casino... He talked about some lines against some players he had a nice stack around 28bbs, so concluded that he «knows» the game.

The big blind is a abc player with 23bbs.

FLOP: Ad2d6d

BB checks, i cbet around 60% of the pot, 5bbs, and the CO asks me how many chips i had behind. I answered and he calls. BB folds.

TURN: 7c

With that question on the flop e presumed that he probably was in some draw or with a medium pair with one diamond... OR... some weak ace like AT, AJ.

I checked turn end he bets 50% of the pot, committing him to the pot.
So, some thoughts:

I opened UTG so my range is some kind of strong and he calls my open ep.
He doesnt have AK for sure and even AQ probably he 3 bets me.

At this phase i think his range is A9, AT, AJ with a diamond, a kind of flushdraw like JKd, QKd, or some 88, 99, TT with one diamond.

I call. We were commited to the pot, i know if i call probably he would barrel all in river 100% of the time.
My plan was to call and if the river bricks i will check call.

The river is a 5s.

I check and the villain moves all in.
I stoped just to think on that play since pre flop, just to have sure about my read. I call and he shows me a JcKh and i kicked out him.

What are your thoughts about this play?


  • tagliustaglius Red Chipper Posts: 290 ✭✭
    Don't show results - they can bias the replies.

    Awful flop for us, bad position. I probably check/fold flop. The turn decision is interesting also - you're behind his range. We might have pot odds to call, but this is a tourney and we're staking our tourney life on this read.
  • westwdwestwd Red Chipper Posts: 38 ✭✭
    Agree with taglius - you probably have to just c/f flop. I may elect to bet flop large and rep the A and then give up when called. Its just a bad spot to be in multiway and OOP and with short stacks - I know you have some of the bigger remaining stacks but you still aren't deep at all.

    This is a classic way to get knocked out of a tournament without knowing what hit you. Get a big hand preflop and refuse to fold it and this board you will be behind most of the time.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Villains hand doesn't make any sense. He floated without equity? Sure it wasn't the Kd?

    Cbet seems large unless there is ante in play. You said 60% but 2bb 3 ways + sb is 6.5bb. I would cbet smaller or check. Cbet around 3bb including my strong hands like AxKd.

    Other than that good job going with your read. Hard to comment exactly as live read is the most important part of the hand. River shove looks like a bluff kinda or the nuts for a polarized range. I think if he bet half pot again it would look more like value.
  • dnoyeBdnoyeB DetroitRed Chipper Posts: 284 ✭✭
    Your UTG open suggests a strong pair or strong suited connector. So the unconnected wet flop with an A doesn't favor you. I think villain correctly perceived this. His problem is he needs to pick a line and stick to it. Asks a bogus question representing the flush draw then calls the flop also representing a flush draw. Turn bricks his line but you check so he changes his story having an A. This is where he blew it I believe.
  • Jónas SJónas S Red Chipper Posts: 202 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    taglius wrote: »
    Don't show results - they can bias the replies.

    Awful flop for us, bad position. I probably check/fold flop. The turn decision is interesting also - you're behind his range. We might have pot odds to call, but this is a tourney and we're staking our tourney life on this read.

    Check/folding this as the original aggressor is way too weak.

    You have way more aces in your range than villain's and you're suppose to defend your hand from draws so when you check a monotone board with an ace on it you're essentially asking for someone else to take the pot down -- unless you're intending to check/raise. Your pocket pair also has a lot of equity against worse hands that can call the flop.

    Strong pocket pairs hate aces, both because you're sometimes behind and then it's harder to get action from worse hands, but the majority of the time you are ahead and don't have to be afraid of the ace until given a reason to and until that moment we need to deny the villain from improving with his draws and thus denying him equity. Worse pairs will often call 1 street and we don't want to let someone improve to the flush for free.

    Play your range, not your exact hand. Would you really check this flop if you had AK? I'm guessing you'd bet/bet/check-call -- denying him equity on his flush-draw and then checking river since villain can't call any further with draws, give him an attempt to bluff. Most aces in villain's range are raising at some point to make sure you don't improve to a flush yourself or give up so you're seldom behind on the river if you don't face real aggression. The chances of someone flopping the flush and slow-playing it are very slim.
  • tagliustaglius Red Chipper Posts: 290 ✭✭
    I agree with the theory of playing your range not your hand but in a short-stack late tourney situation we also have to protect against knocking ourselves out or all-but.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whatever you do, betting 60% of the pot just can't be the answer in a tournament cbet spot, no?

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