# Is there much of a difference between 1/2 and 1/3?

Red Chipper Posts: 275 ✭✭
edited January 2018
Been playing 1/2 for a long time and I'm wondering if I should just start playing 1/3 instead. I've read that it plays mostly the same but just a bit bigger. Any truth to this? Or is 1/3 going to be closer to 2/5 than it is to 1/2.

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• RCP Coach Posts: 4,070 -
99% of live rooms offer either \$1/\$2 or \$1/\$3 (not both). They both have similar skill levels (since they are the lowest offering in a room), BUT, I've noticed that \$1/\$3 tends to play more shallow on average since a lot of players will often buy in for \$200 whether the game is 1/2 or 1/3.
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• Red Chipper Posts: 76 ✭✭
SplitSuit wrote: »
99% of live rooms offer either \$1/\$2 or \$1/\$3 (not both). They both have similar skill levels (since they are the lowest offering in a room), BUT, I've noticed that \$1/\$3 tends to play more shallow on average since a lot of players will often buy in for \$200 whether the game is 1/2 or 1/3.

I play a 1/3 spread game and my standard open is \$15 plus at least one BB for every limper. I feel like I would still want to open this big at 1/2. I'm really inelastic on this point and wonder if it's a mistake. If I were going to vary the open size, I would go bigger, but I'm hesitant because I don't want to give off sizing tells. I'm interested in this topic because I've wondered what adjustments I would need to make when I play 1/2 NL versus my normal game, which is \$100-\$300 buy-in, \$300 max bet.
• Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
SplitSuit wrote: »
99% of live rooms offer either \$1/\$2 or \$1/\$3 (not both). They both have similar skill levels (since they are the lowest offering in a room), BUT, I've noticed that \$1/\$3 tends to play more shallow on average since a lot of players will often buy in for \$200 whether the game is 1/2 or 1/3.

100% correct

1\2 and 1\3 play the same around \$100-\$250 stacks with 1 or 2 players with more in general. A lot of players hit and run after a double up.

2\5 i find much different with players raising more often than limping. Plays their draws more aggressive as they are more aware of their equity. Players willing to sit more with 150bb+ deep. Definitely not scared money and the drop (rake) makes more sense. 1\3 hard to beat due to rake. I play at a casino beating the game but they take \$6+1(river) postflop. Have to be aggro preflop where drop is only \$1 or play \$2-\$3-\$5 where is \$7+1 starting this year. Limping makes no sense due to the drop this year.
• Red Chipper Posts: 275 ✭✭
My room has both which is why I ask. Thanks for the insight guys!
• Red Chipper Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭
Nathan S wrote: »
My room has both which is why I ask. Thanks for the insight guys!

Are the min and max buyins much different? Like maybe one is meant to be a deep stacked game?

• Red Chipper Posts: 275 ✭✭
Max buy-in for 1/2 is \$300 (\$60 min)
Max buy-in for 1/3 is \$500 (\$100 min)
• Red Chipper Posts: 275 ✭✭
This is Sugarhouse in Philadelphia btw.

I really love the room here, very spoiled. Nice tables, nice seats, big selection, regular tourney's, bravo integration, good food, free drinks, straddle from any position
• Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
Nathan S wrote: »
Max buy-in for 1/2 is \$300 (\$60 min)
Max buy-in for 1/3 is \$500 (\$100 min)

rake / drop structure the same?
Nathan S wrote: »
This is Sugarhouse in Philadelphia btw.

I really love the room here, very spoiled. Nice tables, nice seats, big selection, regular tourney's, bravo integration, good food, free drinks, straddle from any position

Sounds like a good poker room.
• RCP Coach Posts: 4,070 -
Nathan S wrote: »
Max buy-in for 1/2 is \$300 (\$60 min)
Max buy-in for 1/3 is \$500 (\$100 min)

We found the 1%!

I would assume 1/2 is the better game (weaker field on average) and the slightly larger min BI makes me happier.

I will never understand why a room would offer this (same with rooms that offer 3/6, 4/8, and 5/10 limit), but alas, that's out of my control...
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• Red Chipper Posts: 790 ✭✭✭
Crown Casino in Melbourne offers \$1/\$2 with a \$100 buyin and \$1/\$3 with a \$300 buyin. I only played the \$1/\$3, which was fairly nitty but still lots of limping.

My theory is the lowest game in the room is super fishy, the second lowest is nitty. Does this sound right ?
• RCP Coach Posts: 4,070 -
colldav wrote: »
Crown Casino in Melbourne offers \$1/\$2 with a \$100 buyin and \$1/\$3 with a \$300 buyin. I only played the \$1/\$3, which was fairly nitty but still lots of limping.

My theory is the lowest game in the room is super fishy, the second lowest is nitty. Does this sound right ?

Agree on the lowest game, but the second game varies too much ime
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• Red Chipper Posts: 336 ✭✭✭
I've played 268hrs of 1/2, 220hrs of 2/5, and 138hrs of 1/3 at Sugarhouse over the past year. So take what you want from this as the sample size is still relatively small. I too, really like this poker room.

The rake is the same for all games.
2/5 is pretty reg filled, usually a bit nitty. You definitely have to be a very solid player to count on a big winrate in this game.
1/3 is definitely closer to 2/5 than 1/2. You find more pros/aspiring pros who at the very least are not there to give away money. You'll definitely find more recreational/gambly types than 2/5 though.
1/2 is super super soft. Huge edge available here.

For OP this is going to be a bankroll/goals question. If you have the bankroll and/or are an aspiring pro you should probably at the very least be taking shots at 1/3. But its definitely going to be different than 1/2
• Red Chipper Posts: 275 ✭✭
Thanks @Ryan A
• Red Chipper Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
We had a thread last year with this question and I mentioned I've never heard of a room with both \$1/2 and \$1/3. Then people said they've seen them. I suppose it makes sense if they have different buy in rules (min and max) - for example 1/2 min 50 max 200, 1/3 min 100 max 500 or something like that. Otherwise makes no sense to have 2 games. If it's in the same casino I can see one playing tougher than the other. If it's across casinos, there should be no difference.
• Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
At MDLive they had both. I loved this fact. In addition they raised the cap on 2/5. This made 1/3 a great stepping stone. Plays anlittlw bigger, especially at the river. Players are more stable at 1/3 than 1/2. I got comfortable and successful at 1/3 (short bankrolled too) Then moved to 2/5 and this was similar to the step from 1/2 to 1/3.
So take some shots at 1/3
• Red Chipper Posts: 370 ✭✭✭
Travis wrote: »
At MDLive they had both. I loved this fact. In addition they raised the cap on 2/5. This made 1/3 a great stepping stone. Plays anlittlw bigger, especially at the river. Players are more stable at 1/3 than 1/2. I got comfortable and successful at 1/3 (short bankrolled too) Then moved to 2/5 and this was similar to the step from 1/2 to 1/3.
So take some shots at 1/3

I cant agree more. Always wondering why two identical blind games were played, but from my experience \$1-3 tend to be played a little tougher.
I played at Parx, Sugar house, Harrahs philly, they all have both games, so maybe its philly thing?? LOL
• Red Chipper Posts: 23 ✭✭
WinStar just north of Dallas also spreads 1/2 and 1/3. 1/2 is softer to an extent, but most players at both levels are bad.
• Red Chipper Posts: 152 ✭✭✭
edited January 2018
Travis wrote: »
At MDLive they had both. I loved this fact. In addition they raised the cap on 2/5. This made 1/3 a great stepping stone. Plays anlittlw bigger, especially at the river. Players are more stable at 1/3 than 1/2. I got comfortable and successful at 1/3 (short bankrolled too) Then moved to 2/5 and this was similar to the step from 1/2 to 1/3.
So take some shots at 1/3

Note the past tense. As of 01/2018 the smallest regular NLH game at MD Live is 1/3 \$500 cap . Are there good short stackers in this game? As James pointed out, the bad players are typically short/shallow , and in the aggregate the chips should move toward the deeper players who have more strategic options available on the big bet streets.

My best response to OP's question is: be over-rolled, buy in for the max and always top off. Game select for your opponents, not the stakes.
• Red Chipper Posts: 455 ✭✭✭
@Ruxton_Atheist also past tense because 1/1/18 I moved to Florida lol
• Red Chipper Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭✭
The staple game at MDLIVE is still \$1/2 \$100-\$300 buy-in. \$1/3 get's going, but it's a generally regular pool of players, whereas \$1/2 is like 35% regs, 65% randoms. 1/3 is like 70% regs, 30% randoms.
• Red Chipper Posts: 336 ✭✭✭
Classifying as jfarrow just did I would estimate Sugarhouse to be:

1/2: 50% regs/50% randoms with 45% of the regs being bad
1/3: 65% regs/35% randoms

Just guesses. I'll have a much better idea after 2018
• Red Chipper Posts: 152 ✭✭✭
jfarrow13 wrote: »
The staple game at MDLIVE is still \$1/2 \$100-\$300 buy-in. \$1/3 get's going, but it's a generally regular pool of players, whereas \$1/2 is like 35% regs, 65% randoms. 1/3 is like 70% regs, 30% randoms.

Really?

• Red Chipper Posts: 107 ✭✭
edited January 2018
jfarrow13 wrote: »
The staple game at MDLIVE is still \$1/2 \$100-\$300 buy-in. \$1/3 get's going, but it's a generally regular pool of players, whereas \$1/2 is like 35% regs, 65% randoms. 1/3 is like 70% regs, 30% randoms.

As of 1/1, there is no more 1/2 at Live. Smallest NLHE game is 1/3 with a \$400 cap, as per the image above.

I've been playing it since the first of the year and have found it to be very soft, but not as wild as the 1/3 at MGM NH.

-rJ
• Red Chipper Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭✭
That's so weird. Maybe they did away with 1/2....hmmmm. I haven't played since mid December, so....maybe they changed it to compete with MGM?
• Red Chipper Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭✭
Sweet man, \$1/3 at MD Live. I sure do love stealing blinds, and now with 33% more value, ITS THAT MUCH FUNNER. Hopefully the same crowd is there who groans over \$15-\$20 raises, cause if they cried about it at \$1/2, and they still cry and fold, then blind stealing is that much more profitable!
• Red Chipper Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭✭
First impressions of MD lives new 1/3: ran up 1.2K profit in 2 hours. Me likely.
• Red Chipper Posts: 52 ✭✭
I don't have 1/3 where I am at but I know a few who have 1/3 where they are at. I play 1/2, if it is deep, and 2/5. 1/2 deep is better than 2/5. But their 1/3 is a zoo. Stacks shorter, more all ins, more crazy plays. Some plays seem like they have the aggression of 2/5 but don't want to play it and 1/2 is better option.

1/2 is more predictable higher stack ratio.

My 1/2s are \$300 buy in.