First Hand Posting - Q8 SB vs BB
WickedW
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Hi All,
Just finished - https://redchippoker.com/topic/saving-your-hands/
First Hand posting, sorry if not correct format or if this type of hand is answered a lot (welcome to point me in direction on how to find equivalents).
I had just watched Ed Millers streets of value video, and decided to see if could put it into practice in my next session (i.e. dont just jam when you have value to pick up the pot).
I promptly lost 4 buy-ins at 40NL (about £30 UK 6 MAX) over a 2 hour session.
I have a few hands from that session, this is just one, maybe I can post a couple others later -
Villain (V) Small blind £0.25 £0.25 £63.52
Hero Big blind £0.50 £0.75 £33.63
Your hole cards Qs 8h
V Raise £1.25 £2.00
Hero Call £1.00 £3.00
Flop 8d Qc 2d
V Bet £2.00 £5.00
Hero Call £2.00 £7.00
Turn 6c
V Bet £6.00 £13.00
Hero Raise £12.00 £25.00
V Call £6.00 £31.00
River 7c
V All-in £48.27 £79.27
I didn’t know a lot about villain, but I would put him more towards the looser range (and its 6 max) and seemed quite aggressive from the few hands I had seen.
On the flop I thought I would just call, as its possibly just an empty cbet and didnt want to chase him away just yet with a raise if he had nothing.
When he bets again on the turn I am now hoping he's got KQ or something like that, possibly diamonds flush draw, but I wanted to increase the pot size for the river and also not give him a free draw, so wanted to raise the "right" amount.
I just didn’t know what correct turn raise sizing to make and the time moves quickly on the site (about 10 seconds), As I said I thought I was in front at this stage and he could have possibly hit 2 lesser pair at that stage / or still been on a draw, and when he then called I knew he did not have trips.
I wasn't really able to run the range narrowing stuff we learned on the site at that speed.
Q) Could someone offer some advice on how to calculate the correct raise at this stage.
What should I do next?
I had £18.63 left to call at this stage.
Thanks for your help
Just finished - https://redchippoker.com/topic/saving-your-hands/
First Hand posting, sorry if not correct format or if this type of hand is answered a lot (welcome to point me in direction on how to find equivalents).
I had just watched Ed Millers streets of value video, and decided to see if could put it into practice in my next session (i.e. dont just jam when you have value to pick up the pot).
I promptly lost 4 buy-ins at 40NL (about £30 UK 6 MAX) over a 2 hour session.
I have a few hands from that session, this is just one, maybe I can post a couple others later -
Villain (V) Small blind £0.25 £0.25 £63.52
Hero Big blind £0.50 £0.75 £33.63
Your hole cards Qs 8h
V Raise £1.25 £2.00
Hero Call £1.00 £3.00
Flop 8d Qc 2d
V Bet £2.00 £5.00
Hero Call £2.00 £7.00
Turn 6c
V Bet £6.00 £13.00
Hero Raise £12.00 £25.00
V Call £6.00 £31.00
River 7c
V All-in £48.27 £79.27
I didn’t know a lot about villain, but I would put him more towards the looser range (and its 6 max) and seemed quite aggressive from the few hands I had seen.
On the flop I thought I would just call, as its possibly just an empty cbet and didnt want to chase him away just yet with a raise if he had nothing.
When he bets again on the turn I am now hoping he's got KQ or something like that, possibly diamonds flush draw, but I wanted to increase the pot size for the river and also not give him a free draw, so wanted to raise the "right" amount.
I just didn’t know what correct turn raise sizing to make and the time moves quickly on the site (about 10 seconds), As I said I thought I was in front at this stage and he could have possibly hit 2 lesser pair at that stage / or still been on a draw, and when he then called I knew he did not have trips.
I wasn't really able to run the range narrowing stuff we learned on the site at that speed.
Q) Could someone offer some advice on how to calculate the correct raise at this stage.
What should I do next?
I had £18.63 left to call at this stage.
Thanks for your help
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As played, you mostly have a bluff-catcher, but he could be value betting AA, KK, 87, or even possibly AQ. Of course, the club flush and straight draws came in, and I wouldn't rule out a set. But he's probably bluffing with all the busted diamond draws; I'm not on my computer with flopzilla now, but my intuition is that you're probably losing the majority of the time, but that a call is +EV. I'll leave it to others to be more precise.
I think before watching the streets for value thing, I probably would have raised on the flop as you suggest to build the pot earlier, but it got me thinking about "realising my equity"; but also knowing when to get away from things later (this part I think I am having trouble with, I will post another hand later in same session). I probably don't understand the subtlety yet.
I will "try" and use flopzilla (just started using it) and look at the EV of the play as you suggested, its important to know the EV now if I want to improve.
With regards to bet size (totally agree on the larger size to reduce his pot odds further I just got blocked for time) + shoving all in on the turn, have I got the streets of value thing all wrong? If I push vs good bet size, he folds up his hand, and thats lost equity? or not?
Turn 2-Bets. A turn 2-bet in a single raised pot usually depends on whether there was action on the flop. If the flop was checked through, a turn raise is frequently 3x the size of the turn bet. If the flop was bet, then turn 2-bet is usually more likely between 2.2x and 2.5x in sizing.
So, maybe 2.5 (upper end) x 6 would have been easier to think about 15+.
Thanks again.
From a math stand point, you need to win 27% of the time to break even. I don't know if he has this percentage of hands in his range.