How many people actually study poker?

CactusCardsCactusCards ArizonaRed Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
Random thought I had while studying (ironically) was how many player actually study off table?

For example I know a lot of us are heading to Vegas for WSOP - in an event like Big50, colossus, etc which are more rec friendly, what percentage do you think actually study poker and attempt to get better?

I’d imagine most people on this site do, same with the folks we follow on social in the “poker community” but I feel like there are loads of people descending in Vegas who still “play by feel” and care more about their hole cards and what they hit than anything else.

Do 20% of players study, maybe 40%? Off topic but curious to hear what others think.
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  • MrBalzterMrBalzter Red Chipper Posts: 65 ✭✭
    I have a friend who plays weekly and when I mentioned I was setting up my weeks study plan he was dumbfounded. "Study Poker??" he asked. The concept had never crossed his mind. And this is a very intelligent individual who is making money on a regular basis.
  • CactusCardsCactusCards ArizonaRed Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    SplitSuit wrote: »
    <3% would be my guess.

    And to echo Kat's statement, I think even some of those would confuse "watching poker VLOGs on YouTube" to mean "I study poker every week!"

    I agree - in Vegas with a buddy from out of state and he let me know his study was the JohnnieVibes Vlog and listening to Podcasts. Love JV’s content, but that’s not studying. . .

    Reg’d for the Big50 today and had people in line saying how this was their first time in a casino playing poker (these were not online grinders). I think <3% has to be close. Hoping that will help with the massive fields in events..anything for an edge.

    Should be a great summer!
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,082 -
    GLGL in the Big50!
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  • AlpineCurtAlpineCurt Red Chipper Posts: 62 ✭✭
    Reg’d for the Big50 today and had people in line saying how this was their first time in a casino playing poker (these were not online grinders).

    And they say poker is dead! HA!
  • eugeniusjreugeniusjr Red Chipper Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    Also of interest, what percentage of RCP members study poker?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,857 -
    eugeniusjr wrote: »
    Also of interest, what percentage of RCP members study poker?

    Does posting bad beats in the forum count?! ;)

    Ha! Def no.
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  • CactusCardsCactusCards ArizonaRed Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    I wonder about this. I sit and listen to some guys at the table talk strategy, and I'm not sure if it's something they read or just something they're blathering on about, repeating conventional wisdom from other people blathering on. I think some people have played enough and thought about the game while they're playing and have the lingo down pat so it sounds like they know what they're talking about, but I suspect very few of them actually sit down and read books or seriously go over hand examples.
    jeffnc wrote: »
    I wonder about this. I sit and listen to some guys at the table talk strategy, and I'm not sure if it's something they read or just something they're blathering on about, repeating conventional wisdom from other people blathering on. I think some people have played enough and thought about the game while they're playing and have the lingo down pat so it sounds like they know what they're talking about, but I suspect very few of them actually sit down and read books or seriously go over hand examples.

    Apparent today during Big50. Lot of “play by feel” and clearly unstudied players. Amazing how bet sizing can give a person away - i found it really helpful. Found past tense AJ<QQ when I was down to 12.5 bigs. Ouch.

    It was nice meeting @AlpineCurt though - looking forward to meeting those who attend the meet up Thursday
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,857 -
    Okay I'll bite. How did you notice this?
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  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You mean like that? ;)



    There are plenty of ways to cheat online. That's a reason out of many that I don't play online games.

  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,857 -
    edited November 2020
    I believe that particular hack is restricted to play money "fun" sites, but agree with Red that there are plenty of ways to cheat online. At a regulated site. I don't see GodMode as being one of them.

    There are, incidentally, also plenty of ways to cheat live.
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  • GTOLifeGTOLife Hudson Valley, NYRed Chipper Posts: 907 ✭✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    You mean like that? ;)



    There are plenty of ways to cheat online. That's a reason out of many that I don't play online games.

    lol...ridiculous. As Kat said, though: This is a play money table.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,857 -
    edited November 2020
    I actually researched that particular company claiming to sell a hole-card reader. They provide this "software" for everything from poker to Call of Duty to allegedly harvest in-game currency. The consensus on Reddit is it's a scam/Ponzi scheme.

    That said, I have no doubt cheating online occurs. It just seems extremely unlikely part of that cheating includes mysterious programs that read hole cards. It requires the ability both to intercept the datastream from the site server, and to break the encryption. The former seems basically impossible without a dedicated machine attacking the server. Further, it's quite clear that if this were possible, it would *not* be possible through a single, generic program, since different sites handle this fundamental security issue differently. It's even sillier to assume such a program would work equally well for poker and for Mages hurling fireballs, or whatever.
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  • GTOLifeGTOLife Hudson Valley, NYRed Chipper Posts: 907 ✭✭✭
    As for the OP's topic: I used to find both studying and playing poker overly interesting. At times, it was all I wanted to do. I've changed quite a bit over the past year or so, however and I can honestly say that nothing bores me more lol. Both playing and studying. I have literally fallen asleep at the screen recently while playing hands and waiting for other players to make decisions. The studies themselves basically just boil down to math problems and that's also the last thing I want to spend my time on at this point in my life. I specifically avoided math in school and I specifically avoid it now, too. I started playing Chess again a few months ago and and considering that it's such a deep, complex, and nearly perfectly conceived game ... it's really made poker seem even more silly and random to me than ever. I have played very little poker this past year and will play even less (if any) next year.

    As for the "average" person out there: Of course they'll laugh if you tell them you're studying poker. Virtually nobody does and to almost everyone the game is considered about as random as bingo these days. What is there to study when you regularly take 85%+ beats? How to let it bother you less? That's also silly.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,857 -
    Certainly the case that if you dislike poker it would be silly to study it.
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  • GTOLifeGTOLife Hudson Valley, NYRed Chipper Posts: 907 ✭✭✭
    Of course. I contend, however, that most people who love playing the game absolutely hate studying it. Most people wouldn't even know *what* to "study". I never appreciated the game because of money. I appreciated it primarily as a competitive strategic competition. The more I've seen of the game, and the more I've played other games, the more I've seen just how flawed and broken poker is as a strategy game and was clearly never designed as such originally. Studying heaps of theoretical knowledge that when even applied perfectly may lead to considerable losses just doesn't make much sense to most people. Especially not people today. The world has changed quite a bit since the early 2000's. At least the people studying poker have an attention span but that's entirely the point: Most don't nor do they have any interest in digging into something like poker theory. Not with the profit margins in the game today so much smaller than they were 10-20 years ago.
  • Chris_VChris_V BoiseRed Chipper Posts: 169 ✭✭
    SplitSuit wrote: »
    < 3% would be my guess.

    And to echo Kat's statement, I think even some of those would confuse "watching poker VLOGs on YouTube" to mean "I study poker every week!"

    My favorite answer ever! Since I can't study and play as much as I like right now, (just got done building a garage and mother-in-law apartment that took me 6 months of after work and weekends), it's great to hear that most players are just that, Players.

    In the last 20 years of recreational playing on and off I've tried to get my poker playing friends to study with me and none will ever actually sit down and study, and it's always been disappointing. Could be that I'm just an ass though LOL.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FTGU wrote: »
    I started playing Chess again a few months ago

    Now you're talking good money there!

  • GTOLifeGTOLife Hudson Valley, NYRed Chipper Posts: 907 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2020
    Haha...right? That's a big part of why I have never maintained any long term consistency in the game (Chess). I just cannot maintain motivation since there's no money on the line, no chance of making a living out of teaching it, and...quite honestly - no matter how much I try to focus on it, poker always just drags me back. I really do like a lot about Chess but sitting down and spending the amount of time required to get legitimately good at it is just not for me.

    As said in another thread recently - I have my bad days where I'll complain about anything, no matter how much I love it. Less so as I'm getting older (almost 39 now) but they still show up now and then. Poker was attached to some negative memories and bad times from when I first started playing about 7 years ago and these have been replaced recently. Sitting down and studying, reading about, discussing, and playing poker has been a great friend for me lately through some hard times. It's relaxing me and letting me escape, as well as making me feel really productive since I'm winning. I have a couple of people who are extremely close to me who are in really bad shape health wise and are lucky to still even be here. I'm doing especially well through it all and my mental game at the tables is steadily maturing.

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